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Air Forces has announced that applying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome everyone a very

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special Friday night edition of Fade to

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Black today is Friday April 28 2023 and

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tonight's show is brought to you by the

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film accidental truth it is now

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streaming on Amazon and all platforms

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and the link for it is below you need to

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go and check it out and I've got to say

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my eight seconds in the film just makes

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the entire thing those eight seconds are

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gold gold go and check it out it's a

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great movie uh directed by uh Ron James

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all right tonight very special guest

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Mick West joins us uh all the way over

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from the United Kingdom we're going to

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be talking about Arrow the arrow hearing

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and and some other things too as well of

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course it is going to be UAP and UFO

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Centric he is an American Science writer

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skeptical investigator and retired video

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game programmer he is the creator of

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websites contrails science and metabunk

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and he has also appeared on different

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media Outlets including CBS the BBC CNN

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Radio New Zealand and Scientific

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American as an expert conspiracy analyst

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and science communicator and I'm very

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excited about tonight's uh conversation

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with Mick and before I go through his

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entire CV it's there you can go and

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check it out because I just want to get

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back on the show and say Mick West what

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is going on how you doing man Jamie glad

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to be here I'm not actually joining you

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from the United Kingdom though I I left

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the United Kingdom like 23 years ago or

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um my producer uh said that to me and I

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was like No And I couldn't get it out of

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my head man yeah I'm up over in

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Sacramento California Northern

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California oh oh so why see see I I knew

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I I obviously you and I talk and I knew

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I thought Nick moved to the UK

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and and this thing and timing so anyway

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it doesn't matter welcome back uh to the

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United States thank you glad to be here

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I was I was just in England a couple of

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weeks ago I went to visit my family so I

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might have reacquired a bit of my

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britishness along the way I'm gonna be

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in August and I'm very excited I'm going

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to be speaking in London and then

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heading up to Manchester so I'm going to

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be there for about a week and I'm

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speaking to Manchester too as well and

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uh now I'm gonna I'm gonna squeeze a

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berry in

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um somehow uh and and try to do a couple

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of things but aside from London and

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Manchester uh I got to get to a berry I

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got I just I just have you been there to

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where where is that Dave Berry the the

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circle the stone circles oh right yes

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yes now I've been to the Stonehenge

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right oh yeah the big one but and this

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you know when when you grow up there's

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somewhere that the local witches did

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their little uh little things in the

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school kids go and smoke uh at the Stone

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somewhere you've got history on that

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property you just need to go and find it

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it's not thousands of years sometimes

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you've got something there

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um now okay I want to start off the show

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uh I'm going to make a general statement

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if uh you don't mind Nick but I want to

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say this uh a few months ago well last

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year I shot a video and uh and it was

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pretty incredible and so I I spoke about

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that video on the show and finally I got

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around to editing it down because it was

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you know an hour long and I uh trimmed

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title on it like crazy ass night in

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Palmdale and and I posted it up and so I

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want everybody to know what happened and

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I lead by example so I want all of you

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to listen to me very closely so I post

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the video and and it was a matter of

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and Mick says Jimmy can you give me some

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some more information about this I said

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absolutely what do you need and and then

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he writes me back could you send this I

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said absolutely boom uh timestamps okay

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Jimmy can you send me the Gen yes and

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this went back and forth between Mick

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maybe three and he's zoning in you know

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he's figuring stuff out

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um but it's called working together

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it's called communication and and I I

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felt what was going on and I knew and I

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um I knew what was going on but

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video I captured some really cool stuff

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yeah but not everything is a UFO and so

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um uh I can't remember exactly Mick I

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apologize for that but I said something

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like man you know what uh I don't buy

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everything that Mick is selling and he

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has debunked my [\h__\h] but man that what's

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wrong with that you know and and and

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then that it it that's the way it should

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be Mick why is it that people don't want

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their their blinders messed with that

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they just want to stay in one lane and

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if anything messes with that they lose

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their minds

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we'll just get along I I think a lot of

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subject I think part of that is because

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the subjects uh especially for people

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who are experienced those people who

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have seen something or experienced

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to not being believed and that they know

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that a lot of people will will think

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that you know what happened to them from

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their perspective was very very unlikely

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and probably not true like it was

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probably a hallucination or something

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like that that's they know that that's

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what most people uh believe and and yet

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from their perspective they know what

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they saw and so it's it's it's when

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someone comes along and and says

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something like you know it might not be

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that then they get very defensive and

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like you see a UFO and I come along and

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I explain what it is this still makes

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people feel threatened because it's just

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like I'm one step away you know here's

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Mick West kind of knocking at the door

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here maybe he's going to like do me next

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or something like that but yeah that's

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yeah I really like cases like your case

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because it had a lot of information we

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had this great video we knew uh what

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location you were at and exactly what

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time it was and what direction you were

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pointing in because you've got this nice

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aligned house which points due north and

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so we had this perfect uh position that

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we could then use to correlate it with

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uh with these satellites which is what

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it ended up being but if it's just

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somebody's personal story I'm not going

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to debunk that I'm not going to come

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along and say you didn't see what you

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you say you saw because I've got no idea

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I wasn't there right uh yeah I might

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those other than you know that's your

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experience and I can't really address

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your experience

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have you okay fine I know what it is I

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was excellent right but that doesn't

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change why I am here right you're not

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fundamentally changing my mindset with

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that and that's that's what people need

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um they didn't know that you and I had

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this communication going back and forth

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behind the scenes on this and that I

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wanted the answers right they didn't see

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that part of it they just saw you you

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know debunking Jimmy Church's video

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um but but here's the thing I have seen

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in the middle of the day with a group of

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people a 500 foot tall shaped like a

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beer can upright spinning uh with the

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silver thing it was insane and it lasted

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about 15 seconds Clear Blue Sky and then

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that no matter what gets done bunked it

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doesn't change what I saw

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was absolutely crazy have you had that

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sighting a daylight not night not lights

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a daylight thing that you went okay

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that's not ours have you had

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uh not that dramatic certainly no I I

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have seen things in the daytime the you

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know they're not very interesting but

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there's certainly things that I didn't

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know what they were uh one in particular

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straight up in the sky you know almost

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directly above my head and I saw what

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appeared to be like a white object kind

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of hovering

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uh straight up and it looked like it was

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really really high like 40 000 feet or

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so and just just hovering there and I

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don't know what it was I mean it might

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have been something like I saw Venus in

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the daytime or something like that so I

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binoculars and then looked up and it was

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most uh dramatic UFO type thing that

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you take Venus off of that what did what

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did you think that's that's actually a

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pretty good sighting yeah it's it sounds

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good but it was really just a little

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white dot I mean it could have been a

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Bird hovering or something like that I

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mean I don't know he didn't seem to be

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moving which is what was interesting to

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me I think I was like watching a plane

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overhead with like a small camera and

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then I just saw this little white dot

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and I stopped and looked at it so you

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know it's a UFO but it's also it's it's

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in the low information Zone it's it's

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too far away to tell what it was and

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perhaps had I managed to see it again

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with my binoculars I might have been

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able to see what it was you know it

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might have just like you ended up being

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a bit of a brighter white dot which

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would mean make the kind of like the

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star or planet explanation a bit more

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likely right but you know I don't know

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and so yeah UFOs are real in the sense

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that we see things in the sky UAP are

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real there are phenomena we see in the

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sky that we can't identify

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uh but that doesn't mean that they are

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something like non-human intelligence it

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just means like right now we can't

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identify it now your thing sounds a bit

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more interesting

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cylinder that was crazy just imagine

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this 500 feet tall going into the sky

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and it was uh it was tremendous

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um and it vanished yeah and I didn't see

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it uh okay I didn't see it vanished that

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was oh I saw it appear

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um and what had happened this is I've

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told the story so many times so I'm

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going to give you the very short average

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version I'm sitting there with a pair of

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gnarly

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three foot binoculars on a tripod and

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I'm looking at the top of this mountain

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and the mountain is 14 miles away right

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and it it's there and and I'm looking at

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the birds I'm just P you know and I've

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got Steve Murillo uh sitting directly

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next to me right a picnic table and I've

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got about 30 friends around us some of

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them were playing basketball and we were

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having fun right anyway so I'm looking

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at the mountain and and I see the peak

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in the binoculars I'm looking at the

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peak in them yes you know and at that

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moment from behind the mountain not

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coming in from left to right from behind

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the mountain comes this thing and it's

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14 miles away and it's if and and and I

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freak and I'm looking at it just doesn't

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make any sense to me it was black and it

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had like a chrome like dull aluminum

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silver top and bottom the sun lit it up

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perfectly it was crystal clear moving

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very slowly and it's spinning and I jump

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up and I yell video video video pictures

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pictures pictures

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and I come back and and people started

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shooting pictures and shooting video I

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came back and sat down and looked at it

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in the binoculars again and I take it

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all in for about five seconds I just

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look at it from top to bottom and it's

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huge it's big and then I look at it with

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my naked eye I come off this like 10

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seconds later

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I come off I look at it with my naked

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eye it's like a little you know but you

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can see it's spinning and and stuff even

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though it's very far away but in the

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binoculars it's like this

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and and then I come back and as I come

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back to the binoculars Steve Murillo

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sitting next to me goes it's spinning

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it's spinning it's spinning it's it's

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gone

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what and I thought we were going to see

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it Mick for the next hour in the blue

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sky because it was moving so slow and

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and I went back and I went back in my

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binoculars and I it was it just

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disappeared

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yeah yeah that's that's the type of case

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that I I don't like

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uh not not because it's disconcerting or

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anything I don't like it because I can't

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get to grips with it I can't so yeah

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there's not evidence that you can

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actually you know I guess you could say

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what's the location and you can get

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things like that I've got all of that

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the thing the thing is I got some video

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uh the object's not in the video

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but because the person taking the video

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didn't know where to point right right

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but you can hear us all talking about it

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and screaming and describing it yeah

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yeah so that's all in the video but if

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you were sitting at that picnic table

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and you witness something like that does

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that change your world view yeah well it

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depends what it is uh I think you know

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I'm the type of guy who tried to figure

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out what it was and consider a whole

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bunch of possibilities which I'm sure

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you've done as well but if you can't

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figure out what it was and you're left

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with something like a giant spinning

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tube it's kind of very difficult to

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reconcile that with with the world but I

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think what would I would probably end up

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happening is I would probably have a few

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tenuous hypotheses like you know perhaps

385
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it was uh someone was flying a giant

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tube kite and we just had a weird

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perspective thing where it looked like

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it was coming over the top and then

389
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you'd be like no no he definitely came

390
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over the top of the mountain it came

391
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from behind yeah from behind it was and

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you got to remember we were looking at

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it from 14 miles away and you could

394
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still 14 miles and you could see it with

395
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the Naked Eyes they were very very big

396
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it's huge yeah yeah and you think that's

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something that large would be visible to

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a lot of people a lot of people

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presumably on the other side of the

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mountain the business people as well or

401
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even people climbing the mountain Mick

402
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and that's the issue here yeah what the

403
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hell's going on yeah yeah we all thought

404
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the same thing well everybody for Miles

405
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just saw that

406
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there was there was nothing you know and

407
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thankfully uh I had 30 friends all

408
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standing there in awe watching this

409
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thing because that's that's the Holy

410
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Grail right that's the middle of the day

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sunlight this is not at night this is

412
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not night vision this isn't Mick West

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and starlink no it's not that right

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this is

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right there lit up lit up by the sun and

416
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it was yeah crazy and yeah I've often

417
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thought uh you know somebody like you or

418
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you know what what would Neil deGrasse

419
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Tyson have to say yeah something like

420
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that well I think like the very fact

421
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that only your group saw it at least any

422
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reporters saying it is is perhaps a clue

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I mean it seems like there's only a

424
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couple of ways that that could go like

425
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either it's some kind of weird phenomena

426
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that only wanted to be seen by your

427
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group or was perhaps in a situation

428
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where it could only be seen you know

429
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it's a real thing but it's only seen

430
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through a certain like tunnel of the air

431
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or something because of the way it

432
00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:01,799
warped space and time or it's it's some

433
00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:03,900
it was some kind of Illusion like there

434
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was something that wasn't actually quite

435
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so big uh and and from your perspective

436
00:18:13,850 --> 00:18:11,880
you just happen to be in the right spot

437
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to see it at the right time while

438
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somebody is solar balloon or kite or

439
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:18,600
whatever it was uh flew over and you all

440
00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:20,940
got the same illusion at the same time

441
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uh but you know again I don't know which

442
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one of those is the right one no it's uh

443
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and and so back to I guess my point that

444
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no matter what not everything is a UFO

445
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it's actually right

446
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so what we saw that day was friggin nuts

447
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and I can tell you I don't I don't know

448
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:48,299
what it was Mick I don't I certainly

449
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don't but this is what drives me and and

450
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and I'm okay with listening to

451
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everybody's input on everything like you

452
00:19:02,210 --> 00:18:59,880
and the work that you do I don't mind it

453
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I appreciate it

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00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,039
um and so there you go all right so but

455
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you haven't seen that see I was hoping

456
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you would tell me that you haven't seen

457
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anything and I would say well that

458
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explains everything about Midwest

459
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well I haven't seen anything amazing

460
00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:17,220
this is like people always ask me what's

461
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the most amazing UFO video you've ever

462
00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:21,860
seen and that you you couldn't explain

463
00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:25,020
and there's there's thousands of videos

464
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that I can't explain just because

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they're like that white dot that I saw

466
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there's just something in the distance

467
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and you can't tell what it is uh I

468
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haven't seen any any ones that like are

469
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are amazing even as amazing as the your

470
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description like there if you had a you

471
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know a 4K video of this thing coming

472
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over the top of the mountain

473
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you know that would be pretty amazing

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uh but you know such videos don't seem

475
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to exist well you know it's the same

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thing just like everybody you know when

477
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when somebody tells me uh their

478
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experience and their sighting and I ask

479
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them the question right do you take a

480
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picture shoot a video no uh did I no the

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whole event was 15 seconds long right

482
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and 10 seconds of it was me jumping up

483
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and down yelling for video and and stuff

484
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and by the time I even got close to

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getting my mind straight it was gone

486
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,460
yeah but he was so close I mean it's not

487
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like every single uh UFO encounter is

488
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like three seconds and there's no chance

489
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of getting it you you could

490
00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:29,880
theoretically quite easily have either

491
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:32,940
had your camera out at that time uh or

492
00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:34,980
or like you managed to do it in the 15

493
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seconds I was once in my backyard uh and

494
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I happened to have a camera I had my big

495
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my big you know 500 millimeter camera

496
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without somewhere and uh a U2 flew over

497
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my house

498
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which is very unusual I never even seen

499
00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:50,940
a YouTube before you know the YouTube

500
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:54,059
spy plane yeah the long skinny wings I

501
00:20:58,490 --> 00:20:56,520
see them every other day yeah well you

502
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,500
you live with someone they are but

503
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,720
they're stationed right here I was like

504
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oh my God are you too well and then I

505
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was like with my big camera

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so I don't think it's impossible that at

507
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some point you know if these UFO

508
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encounters that that people describe

509
00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,840
like yourself are happening in and you

510
00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:17,100
were you know you were in a situation

511
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where you were actually looking for UFOs

512
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at the time and you had cameras no no no

513
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:24,660
no no no no no no you this is nature

514
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okay yeah but you you were observing you

515
00:21:31,549 --> 00:21:28,980
had like camera equipment you have

516
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binoculars I had the binoculars because

517
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I had this giant Mountain uh sitting in

518
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front of me and uh and that's why they

519
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,500
were there so yeah but uh yeah yeah so

520
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yeah so Nick is debunking my experience

521
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now

522
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no it's not your experience I'm just

523
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,000
trying to extrapolate it to the the

524
00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:50,400
broader phenomena like what does it tell

525
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,200
you that that there are all these

526
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:54,960
eyewitness accounts but you know we

527
00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:58,500
can't get uh video or or good photos of

528
00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,299
them and it's we're always just so close

529
00:22:03,169 --> 00:22:01,919
like you know get the camera out and I

530
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:03,179
just don't press the button I mean that

531
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:05,100
happened to me once I was looking I was

532
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:07,380
outside walking the dog and it was dark

533
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,380
and I saw this this enormous shower of

534
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,960
golden Fireballs like shoot across the

535
00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:14,940
sky above me and I was like oh my God

536
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:16,500
and then I'll get the camera out double

537
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,820
camera out here press the button

538
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,799
followed it across the sky it was

539
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:22,080
amazing amazing thing I've ever seen

540
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:24,120
and then it went over the horizon and I

541
00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:25,799
was like ah

542
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,760
didn't press record

543
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:31,440
I hate that

544
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,980
even worse than that is uh you you've

545
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:36,600
got you think

546
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:40,140
you've hit the video button and you're

547
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:41,940
watching the video the whole time yeah

548
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:43,620
yeah I was watching it I was looking at

549
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,980
my camera but this amazing size of uh

550
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:49,919
and that's so much man and then you look

551
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:54,000
and that Square's not lit oh man

552
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,179
um okay let's uh let's talk about arrow

553
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,640
for a second all right

554
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:00,559
um

555
00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:10,020
some people upset and so many out there

556
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,080
have uh put their eggs in in one basket

557
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,840
and they're not really analyzing the

558
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:17,640
situation but

559
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,320
um I was asked today on another program

560
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,200
uh Christina Gomez

561
00:23:29,049 --> 00:23:26,159
um what I thought about the hearing and

562
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,059
I said okay I'm gonna sum it up

563
00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:35,990
um Kirkpatrick doesn't give a rat's ass

564
00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:40,760
about E.T and his job and arrows Mission

565
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,559
has nothing to do

566
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,900
with the search for extraterrestrial

567
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,840
life that's it and the community needs

568
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,360
to disengage from that thought process

569
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,240
because if they're looking for him to do

570
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,299
that you're wasting your time and that

571
00:24:01,970 --> 00:23:59,580
was my take when I make a statement like

572
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,980
that what goes through your mind

573
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:04,559
I I pretty much agree with it I I think

574
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:07,799
you know he talks about how Arrow's

575
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:11,820
mission was to make uh UAP what do you

576
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:14,960
call them sep somebody else's problem

577
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,240
and that wasn't just with

578
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:20,760
with things like drones and whatnot he

579
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,080
specifically said that if uh they'd

580
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:26,640
found something that could only be

581
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,880
explained by extraterrestrial origin

582
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:32,880
they would then work with NASA to inform

583
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,919
the Congressional leadership of what was

584
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,200
going on so basically he was saying if

585
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:39,600
we find some aliens we'll just let NASA

586
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,679
handle it

587
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:43,200
you know they their interest I think is

588
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,260
is a national security thing uh there

589
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:48,600
are objects that are unidentified

590
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,179
a lot of that is you know just things

591
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:53,120
like clutter like balloons and whatnot

592
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,360
uh some of it is is things like radar

593
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,360
issues and some of it might be foreign

594
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:02,460
definitely is foreign drones because we

595
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:03,960
know that actually happens and some of

596
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:05,640
it might be some kind of secret foreign

597
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,500
drone and then there might be something

598
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:09,299
else maybe aliens you know they just

599
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,360
keep that as a just in case but yeah

600
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:14,760
that's that's what their focus is is

601
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:16,500
just simply figuring out what things are

602
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,080
they're not alien hunters they're not

603
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,020
you know trying to figure out if ET is

604
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:24,539
visiting at least as far as I know like

605
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:27,779
but I don't think I don't think uh

606
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:30,600
you're wrong there I I I he was very

607
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,020
very very clear yeah and I think that

608
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,360
the anticipation because so many

609
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,220
including myself you know I was calling

610
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,460
it another UFO hearing

611
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:42,960
um and when the hearing really was about

612
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,940
the budgeting of arrow in a mission

613
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:46,740
statement that's you know that's what

614
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,559
the hearing was for and there was a lot

615
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:52,260
of expectation and hype behind it that's

616
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:55,080
built up in social media that this is

617
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:56,760
you know we're gonna have witnesses and

618
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,580
this this is going on I wonder who's and

619
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:01,919
and clearly that's not the case in the

620
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,659
community

621
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:06,720
um uh I I think it it hurts it's like

622
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:10,140
ripping off a Band-Aid but that's not

623
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:13,320
what arrow is for the arrow is not the

624
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:17,520
UFO uh action group right that's not

625
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,480
that's not the case here is it no and I

626
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,159
I it's there's a there's lots of people

627
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,480
kind of involved in this you know

628
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:26,400
Kirsten Gila brand is like you know the

629
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,700
prime mover uh I guess of the uh uh of

630
00:26:34,029 --> 00:26:31,860
you know getting things done and getting

631
00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:34,039
Arrow implemented and things like that

632
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,500
uh but sometimes I think people

633
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:39,720
politicians uh adopt an issue

634
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:43,559
because they need an issue to

635
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:45,659
to be working on I'm sure that she works

636
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,100
on other things as well but you know

637
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,320
she's becomes well known as the person

638
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,240
who's in charge of this particular thing

639
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,000
and it's obviously something that has

640
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,220
National Security implications even if

641
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,860
aliens aren't real uh and so it's

642
00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:00,539
something that she can be seen to be

643
00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:01,980
doing a good job at you know I'm sure

644
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:03,620
she like wants to do a good job as well

645
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,020
but uh it's

646
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,659
if it really was such a big deal you

647
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,039
know why is there just one or two

648
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,200
politicians who are interested in it why

649
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:14,400
is there just one or two people have

650
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:16,860
adopted uh you know it has their pet pet

651
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,440
subject and there's very very few people

652
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:21,840
actually you know kind of pursuing this

653
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:24,179
and I think the Pentagon like Sean

654
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,380
Kirkpatrick

655
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,500
really isn't super interested in it

656
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,299
other than like we have things we can't

657
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:32,100
identify and we need to identify them

658
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,360
but they're probably just drones and

659
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:35,940
things like that uh so the whole alien

660
00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:38,700
thing I think for the military

661
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,419
I feel like the alien issue is a big

662
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,700
distraction for most of them like an

663
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:46,980
unwelcome distraction and they just

664
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,260
don't want to actually engage with it

665
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:51,120
you know think about the Air Force

666
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:53,100
how much how much is the Air Force

667
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:54,900
actually told us about UFOs I mean

668
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,980
nothing really

669
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,559
uh there was one I think retired head of

670
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,440
the Air Force a few months ago uh

671
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:04,140
basically said he had better things to

672
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:04,980
do

673
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,580
than uh investigate UFOs historically

674
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,279
people investigate UFOs uh the evidence

675
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:13,020
doesn't lead anywhere and it's just a

676
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:14,580
big waste of time but then there's a

677
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,580
huge uh public hubbub and lots of media

678
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:19,500
interest and they get swamped with

679
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,240
requests from the media and foyer

680
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,460
requests and things like that so what

681
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:25,679
did you what did you make of

682
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:29,520
um the article that Avi Loeb and Sean

683
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,880
Kirkpatrick co-authored last month about

684
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
uh well the headlines the media said

685
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,440
alien motherships are here dropping off

686
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:40,080
drones uh and that's what the media does

687
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:43,860
okay but yeah but it's a weird article

688
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:46,440
uh and it was weird that Kirkpatrick put

689
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:47,880
his name on it and I think it was

690
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:50,279
basically RV Loeb just saying the type

691
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:52,200
of things alveolo upsets you know he he

692
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:54,840
thinks it's likely that there's aliens

693
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:56,520
throughout the Galaxy and there's alien

694
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,020
ships and they're probably doing things

695
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:00,299
like this and he was hypothesizing maybe

696
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:03,000
you know if I wanted to seed the Galaxy

697
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,880
with life I would make a other ship that

698
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:08,100
would then drop off these dandelion type

699
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,380
Scout ships and that's just how it would

700
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,720
work you know and it's just it's it's

701
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,580
speculation it's science speculation

702
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:16,679
it's science fiction speculation but

703
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,179
then you wove in this whole other thing

704
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,059
about how oh if if they were moving

705
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,860
really fast then they would be

706
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:24,659
surrounded by plasma and so they'll be

707
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,039
really bright and we'll be able to see

708
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,840
them which doesn't really seem like it's

709
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:29,760
really anything in particular to do with

710
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,260
the the first thing the whole you know

711
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:33,120
Mothership and the dandelions it was

712
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,860
like he was just it's almost like a

713
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,600
stream of Consciousness it's like

714
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,120
Kirkpatrick says like hey Avi let's

715
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,520
write a paper on UFOs and there he goes

716
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,159
sure yeah let's see we'll we'll do the

717
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,260
thing about the mothership and then oh

718
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:47,279
people have been saying they've been

719
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:48,360
moving really fast but I don't think

720
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,380
that's true so we're putting something

721
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:50,880
about them being really bright if

722
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,919
they're really fast that sounds good to

723
00:29:57,889 --> 00:29:54,960
you and Kirkpatrick says yeah sounds

724
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:57,899
good I mean the science checks out so uh

725
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,880
I'll put my name on that and then they

726
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,860
publish it because I don't know why all

727
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:03,600
he publishes like a paper every week

728
00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:06,539
yeah he does he does nothing to him

729
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,100
um uh I'll say this uh about Avi

730
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,640
um I have uh ate dinner with him I've

731
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,000
shot TV shows with him

732
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:19,760
um I have looked him straight in the eye

733
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,640
and had very lengthy deep conversation

734
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,159
and I will say this about that guy that

735
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:28,440
guy intimidates the crap out of me he's

736
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,820
he's really smart okay I mean like at a

737
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:34,679
level that you and I will never ever

738
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:38,279
understand he's like there he's he's a

739
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:40,980
very unique person on planet Earth but

740
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,779
he's so data driven Mick that he he has

741
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:48,960
access and understands data and is able

742
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:51,179
to process it in a way that you and I we

743
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:54,840
just it's not what we do right and and

744
00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:58,320
he's able and so that motivation for him

745
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,500
he understands the true size of

746
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:03,299
everything and the numbers of everything

747
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:07,080
and and how algorithms process through

748
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:09,960
and and he's able to visualize those

749
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:12,740
answers at the end of that math yeah

750
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:14,840
yeah

751
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,460
I I know you are but I I wouldn't say I

752
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:22,980
entirely agree uh with that but uh

753
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,640
continue yeah well I I agree with what I

754
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:28,980
mean he was director of the black hole

755
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,620
sure uh no he's he's a he's a genius

756
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:34,320
he's a very good scientist and he's you

757
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:35,700
know done lots of great work I'm sure

758
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:39,600
but you know I I go back to the paper he

759
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,140
wrote on the U Ukrainian UFOs

760
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:46,020
which I thought was was you know partly

761
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:47,700
it was just he did his thing about oh if

762
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:49,140
it was moving really fast there would be

763
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,940
plasma so it would be bright and it

764
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,100
wasn't so that puts it up a limited so

765
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,480
you know it's the same thing he did in

766
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:56,700
the in the Kirkpatrick paper

767
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,140
but then he goes on to say that these

768
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,240
black things because it's in a war zone

769
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,360
are probably artillery shells and you

770
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,120
know not flies whereas I think the Flies

771
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,580
are vastly more likely explanation and I

772
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,799
I did a bunch of math trying to explain

773
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:13,020
to him why I thought this was the case

774
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,419
and when he first came back to me with

775
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,700
rebuttals of my argument

776
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:20,279
the first rebuttals that he gave me were

777
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:22,020
not very good they were they were just

778
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,700
kind of almost hand waving type things

779
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,740
you then came back with a better one a

780
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,600
much better one where he could have like

781
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,919
oh yeah that's I should have said that

782
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:31,080
from the start and he gave me that one

783
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,820
but it also didn't really add up that

784
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:35,039
math really wasn't wasn't uh wasn't

785
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,740
correct I don't think and I did a

786
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,600
quite a complicated simulation try to

787
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,580
demonstrate this but then he kind of

788
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,020
just stops talking about the whole thing

789
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:45,899
and then moved on uh but you know I feel

790
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:46,679
like

791
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,559
we often give a lot of deference to

792
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,440
people who who have a lot of degrees now

793
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,840
obviously he's vastly more accomplished

794
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,419
than I am when it comes to physics knows

795
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,340
a lot more about it than I do but it

796
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:00,960
doesn't mean that in every single

797
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,380
analysis of a UFO video his answer is

798
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,240
going to be correct when it disagrees

799
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,820
with with my answer you know I think

800
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,860
yeah that's something that we've seen

801
00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:12,659
before with other people as well like

802
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,539
Travis Taylor who has two phds you know

803
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,760
he often says things that are factually

804
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,919
incorrect or he does things where he

805
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:21,659
gets the math wrong or he gets some kind

806
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,260
of uh facts wrong in his his analysis so

807
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,840
it does happen uh that people get things

808
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,360
wrong even if they've got this you know

809
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:33,440
they do have these well-deserved uh

810
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:38,100
category credentials yeah and and and

811
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:40,019
although you are right in fact we're

812
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:41,220
both right

813
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:45,000
but here's the thing even when I try to

814
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:49,919
go a little woo with Avi right yeah he

815
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,700
backed off now I I think that

816
00:33:59,049 --> 00:33:56,580
um he believes it's a numbers game a

817
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:59,059
numbers game that I tend to agree with

818
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,460
where we could have up to a trillion

819
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,740
planets just in the Milky Way right a

820
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,140
trillion every Star has got at least one

821
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,040
planet that's that's it's now a fact and

822
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,320
so when you base it on that it's just a

823
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,659
trillion right so when you get to

824
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,480
percentages of what could support life

825
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,399
and you get down to a tenth of a percent

826
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:23,460
of a trillion a tenth a hundredth of a

827
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:26,760
percent you're talking about hundreds of

828
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,139
millions of planets billions of planets

829
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,780
that and and so it's a numbers driven

830
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:35,700
situation so how much of that and then

831
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:37,139
how much of that and how much of that

832
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:40,440
and and who would be aware of us he'll

833
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,500
go that far that it has to be that way

834
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:45,720
that's what the numbers are now little

835
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:49,080
Grays uh visiting you know little gray

836
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:52,740
aliens abducting people no no no uh he

837
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,619
he's he's not anywhere near that

838
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:58,320
um but he's a data-driven guy and it's

839
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,540
the numbers that support

840
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:02,760
um what he believes is the possibility

841
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,000
that we are not only uh being visited

842
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:07,920
but it's been going on for a very long

843
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,099
time yeah no I I appreciate his take on

844
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:12,720
that the you know being data driven and

845
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:15,540
making sure things are backed up uh with

846
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:19,020
with uh with math and and physics and

847
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,339
some people in the community like

848
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:23,040
disagree with him on on you know

849
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:24,420
essentially the Kirkpatrick paper

850
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:28,200
argument that uh you have to look at

851
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,300
things under the lens of known physics

852
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:32,339
because the idea of course is that the

853
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,020
aliens would use physics which we have

854
00:35:37,849 --> 00:35:36,480
not yet discovered and so they think

855
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:37,859
that he kind of he's kind of limiting

856
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,420
himself uh when he uh he says that uh

857
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,520
but he he talks about things that are

858
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:46,560
fairly far out like the the idea of

859
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:49,380
omuamua being a you know portion of a

860
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,000
solar sail you know that that kind of

861
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:52,980
asteroid type thing that came through

862
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:54,599
there this book I'd be right

863
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:57,060
extraterrestrial I have I have not no

864
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,660
read it read it read it and then and

865
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,420
then uh revisit that statement you were

866
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:06,300
about to make yeah well you know he

867
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:08,099
wrote a book like a couple of years ago

868
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,960
now and I think there's been a bunch of

869
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,060
research by other people uh since then

870
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:14,820
on on things like uh the hydrogen

871
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,859
pressure and the outgassing and things

872
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:18,720
like that I'm sure his book makes a very

873
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,460
good compelling case because that's what

874
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:22,140
he sets out to do he's setting out you

875
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,579
know here's my argument and I think that

876
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:24,960
this is what happened and I think it's

877
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:27,960
probably aliens but a lot of people

878
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,599
disagree with him yeah he's sure he's of

879
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,000
course they do a lot of scientists and

880
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,640
we need that we need that we all can't

881
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:37,740
just agree that's not a fun place to be

882
00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:40,680
we need to to be able to sit down and

883
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:43,339
and talk things through and and yeah

884
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,180
of stuff

885
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:46,920
um I will say

886
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,060
um uh this he makes one point

887
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:53,359
um in extraterrestrial

888
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:56,760
that it is it's it's an unbelievable

889
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,339
thing to wrap your head around no matter

890
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,760
what

891
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,020
is gone

892
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:07,079
it ain't coming back yeah so the only

893
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,260
data that we have is what was collected

894
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,540
for those 11 days

895
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,359
and it caught us by surprise by the time

896
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,460
we started pointing stuff to it it's

897
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:19,500
it's hauling man it's doing it's almost

898
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,859
300 000 miles per hour right and then

899
00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:25,680
it's gone and that's it there will never

900
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:29,940
be more data therefore everybody's

901
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:32,220
looking at what we have got and they are

902
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,619
developing their own ideas and theories

903
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,900
and hypothesis that's it that's it and

904
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,880
that's a really good point that he that

905
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,520
he's making here it's not going to come

906
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:43,920
back for more data we've only got what

907
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,780
we've got and this is what we need to

908
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:47,940
analyze and that's his case you should

909
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:49,560
read extraterrestrial it's really well

910
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,240
done yeah I might give it a go uh I I I

911
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,160
like the mirror case uh in part because

912
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:59,040
it reminds me of my two of my favorites

913
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,260
uh science fiction books uh one of them

914
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,660
is rendezvous with Rama by office e

915
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,440
clock

916
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:06,900
we're a very similar looking thing comes

917
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:09,000
into our solar system and it's very

918
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,940
similar yeah it's a long thing thing and

919
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:13,859
but they go into it and they get inside

920
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,900
it and of course it's a bit more alien

921
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,940
and then there's another book called uh

922
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:20,339
uh Dragon's egg

923
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:20,900
um

924
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:24,540
yeah which which is about uh a neutron

925
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,339
star essentially that kind of like Zips

926
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,079
through our solar system just for a

927
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,480
brief period of time but it actually

928
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,400
contains alien life and it's just there

929
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:34,800
for a brief period of time uh but uh

930
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,060
it's it's longer for the from the

931
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:38,280
perspective of the aliens but yeah the

932
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,020
the yeah I love

933
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,940
science fiction I love science and the

934
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,880
idea of being something it was really

935
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:46,500
appealing to me if if there could be

936
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,359
some actual evidence so actually

937
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,060
convincing evidence uh I would love that

938
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,240
but I don't want to be beguiled by the

939
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:56,760
idea that it is aliens and then start

940
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,339
accepting evidence just because I want

941
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,560
that evidence to be true that's right

942
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:04,020
well that's exactly that's the world of

943
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:08,280
Mick West right and I have said it many

944
00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:12,720
times if if Mick West or anybody else is

945
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:15,740
going to ruin your life that's on you

946
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:19,020
right and and it's the same thing Mick

947
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:21,060
uh just go and read the book that's all

948
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,579
that's all the data and I'll put it in

949
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:25,980
my list it's a very compelling case that

950
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,859
is laid out and and and I'll just leave

951
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,859
it at that um I I just like everything

952
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:33,780
else just lump it into the middle of the

953
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,180
table and and and let's see what we've

954
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,180
got in the end and and remember the beer

955
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,760
can that's all I got to say so back to

956
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,740
Arrow though okay

957
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:45,480
um why

958
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,190
why is it

959
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:54,240
um and I I'm not here to uh to piss

960
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,140
everybody off but why is it that we seem

961
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,960
to have two different stories going on

962
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,060
at the same time

963
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,640
um out in front in the media where we

964
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,640
have got uh Chris Mellon and Lou

965
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:11,520
Elizondo and their constant trips to

966
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,339
Washington and working on this task

967
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:16,079
force and talking to this and pushing

968
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:17,940
this through and the alien agenda and

969
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:22,079
E.T is here and it appeared that and and

970
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,820
hearings and Witnesses are coming and

971
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:25,980
that's coming from that camp

972
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,859
um and and getting social media all you

973
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:32,160
know wild up and then Kirkpatrick comes

974
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:36,240
out and deflates what is publicly being

975
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,960
uh put on by melon and Elizondo and

976
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:42,180
others too as well

977
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,560
um and we're getting these two

978
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:46,380
conflicting stories somebody here is

979
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,380
wrong or is Alexander when when talking

980
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:51,359
to another group and it has nothing to

981
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,619
do with arrow

982
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:54,660
well it does seem like there's some kind

983
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:00,599
of dispute about you know perhaps how

984
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,619
what UFOs are within the Pentagon uh

985
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:06,480
there were conflicting stories in the

986
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:10,200
media a while back there was a story by

987
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:12,920
Julian Barnes in the New York Times

988
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,500
I think this was just before the last

989
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:19,440
UAP report came out or a while before it

990
00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:20,520
came out it was when it was supposed to

991
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,900
come out you know it was quite a bit

992
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:24,660
late and he spoke to a source in the

993
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:27,180
Pentagon and someone at ABC news also

994
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,980
spoke to this same person or a similar

995
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,960
person and then this person had told

996
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,060
them that there wasn't very much going

997
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:34,800
on you know there was no real evidence

998
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:38,940
of aliens the gimbal video uh was just

999
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,940
rotating glare rotating camera artifacts

1000
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:44,520
and then go fast uh video wasn't going

1001
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,020
particularly fast

1002
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,180
and you know most of what they were

1003
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,980
seeing was balloons I'm not sure if they

1004
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:51,359
said that but that's what it came out

1005
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,420
eventually but then uh

1006
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:57,060
someone in the Daily Mail

1007
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:58,920
comes up with with an article I think it

1008
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:00,599
was uh I can't remember his name now the

1009
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,180
guy and Chris sharp and the other guy

1010
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,940
uh writing of the Daily Mail they

1011
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:07,920
interviewed another guy who was a

1012
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,900
pentagon source and this guy's like

1013
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,000
super angry it's like well you know this

1014
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,160
is not what's going on at all there's

1015
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:16,800
all these amazing videos we have uh

1016
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:19,380
videos from Reaper drones of this stuff

1017
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,820
that's incredible and uh we we have like

1018
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,560
we know that a lot of things are

1019
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:27,180
balloons but we don't really care about

1020
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:28,380
that

1021
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,359
so it seems like it seems like there are

1022
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,680
some people in the Pentagon who think oh

1023
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:33,119
it's just a big bunch of nothing and

1024
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,260
then there's some people and apparently

1025
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:35,820
kind of think oh it's this amazing thing

1026
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:38,880
no yeah those articles were about a week

1027
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,720
apart yeah yeah yeah I had said then

1028
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,060
Mick I want your opinion on this it

1029
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:47,700
seemed like somebody was feeding

1030
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,780
somebody yeah bunk and maybe bunk going

1031
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,000
in both directions too as well right

1032
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,400
yeah it's it's hard to say

1033
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:58,380
when you've got an anonymous source both

1034
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,740
sources were Anonymous uh you don't know

1035
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:04,380
to what level that person is and what

1036
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,819
type of information they've got and what

1037
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:07,980
information they have access to

1038
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,380
and so this first person at the Pentagon

1039
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,760
that they're talking to might be someone

1040
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,380
who didn't actually know that much about

1041
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,240
it he might have been someone who just

1042
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,280
seen my videos online and thought Oh

1043
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:18,960
yeah Midwest explains it so that's all

1044
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,859
it is

1045
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,780
uh but it you know it might be someone

1046
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,760
who who knows what's actually going on

1047
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,440
we don't know which one of those it is

1048
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,480
then this other person was someone who

1049
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:30,119
probably knew something about the the

1050
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,500
report because they knew things that

1051
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,660
were in the report that came out they

1052
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,579
mentioned these orbs scene from a Reaper

1053
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,140
drone which is something that came out

1054
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,640
later something that Kirkpatrick

1055
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:41,040
actually showed a video of later wasn't

1056
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,619
super amazing but it was something that

1057
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,599
this person mentioned so it seems like

1058
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,119
there might be somebody in the UAP task

1059
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:49,980
force and whatever you know eventually

1060
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,780
it was aimsog and then and then Arrow uh

1061
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:56,460
who who is

1062
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,460
very passionate about it and thinks that

1063
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,200
you know there's a big issue with these

1064
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,880
weird things that are flying around that

1065
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,680
don't that are not our technology and

1066
00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:05,880
they're not foreign technology so

1067
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:07,640
therefore there must be alien technology

1068
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,660
what's your position what's your

1069
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:11,160
position on that do you believe that we

1070
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,660
are being visited

1071
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,640
no I I don't think there's good evidence

1072
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,380
showing that you know I wouldn't really

1073
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:19,260
doubt because it's a possibility

1074
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:21,000
I don't know you know what's going on in

1075
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,380
the rest of the Universe I don't know

1076
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,000
what technology they have

1077
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,880
but I I do know the evidence that is

1078
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:28,380
presented for that and the evidence

1079
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:31,619
isn't very good you know we we get

1080
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:35,220
Promises of these amazing things people

1081
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,599
will promise you things like this this

1082
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,980
video is going to come out it'll blow

1083
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,819
your mind

1084
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,099
and then it ends up being something like

1085
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:42,900
that that sphere video

1086
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,540
which is just not a very compelling

1087
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,760
video it is something that's it looks

1088
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,880
like a two foot round my last sphere

1089
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:53,160
that's just floating in the air and it

1090
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:55,500
looks amazing because it's shot from a

1091
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:58,140
Reaper drone that has a camera which

1092
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,540
tracks the ground so it looks like the

1093
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:02,400
thing moves but it's just the Parallax

1094
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,420
effect

1095
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:05,940
so it's we get these these promises of

1096
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,339
things like Lu Elizondo says there's a

1097
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,680
23 minute video that's just amazing it

1098
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,480
shows this incredible thing that's

1099
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,700
that's going on but you know either it

1100
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,280
doesn't show up or when the video comes

1101
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,400
out it's really not that that amazing uh

1102
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:22,560
was it's uh Jeremy Corbell it's always

1103
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:25,380
promising as amazing things at Dalian

1104
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:27,740
Khan he showed a little teaser of this

1105
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:32,099
uh this one image which was a a UAP

1106
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:34,380
moving across the screen and leaving a

1107
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:35,460
trail

1108
00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:37,800
and that basically was pretty much the

1109
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,619
same thing that Kirkpatrick showed that

1110
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,240
was actually just a plane and the trail

1111
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,540
was just a camera artifact even that it

1112
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,000
it felt it felt to me that Kirkpatrick

1113
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,520
did that on purpose uh yeah that was

1114
00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:52,980
very pointed about those videos both of

1115
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,839
those things yeah exactly both of them

1116
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,359
were basically direct answers to corbels

1117
00:46:02,750 --> 00:45:59,640
things because Corbell releases still of

1118
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,760
a different video of a a small orb

1119
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,160
flying in the sky and there's this other

1120
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,740
thing with the trail but even kirkpat it

1121
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:09,900
was bizarre the way Kirkpatrick did that

1122
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:11,640
like he

1123
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:15,599
he had this slide that said uh the trail

1124
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,380
was a video compression artifact and

1125
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,780
then he in his presentation says the

1126
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,240
trail was a sensor readout artifact

1127
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
which are two completely different

1128
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,560
things so it's it's almost like two

1129
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:31,200
different people one was making the

1130
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:34,500
slide and one was writing his speech and

1131
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:36,540
was it him did he write his own speech

1132
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:37,980
or is he just reading something somebody

1133
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,619
else wrote and why does the slide say

1134
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,720
something that's technically entirely

1135
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,520
different a sensor readout thing means

1136
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:47,520
that the the sensors uh the pixels of

1137
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:48,660
the sensor

1138
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:51,720
keep the intensity of the image for a

1139
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:53,940
while so you get these after images

1140
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,220
video compression artifacts would be

1141
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,740
something completely different that's

1142
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:00,560
probably the first one

1143
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,079
I want to ask you about the New York

1144
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:06,480
Times when

1145
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:08,119
um

1146
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,040
years ago

1147
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,920
um uh yes yes and then buried

1148
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,079
um in the bottom of towards the end of

1149
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:23,280
of the article it said that it they had

1150
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,380
a quote attributed to Dr Eric Davis

1151
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:30,000
that said that he

1152
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:34,619
said that he gave a classified briefing

1153
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,099
to the senate about

1154
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:40,800
us being in possession of Not Crash

1155
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,300
retrievals of flying saucers right now

1156
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,560
not all this world I think something

1157
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:48,599
like that exactly you know right right

1158
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:52,319
now that that right there

1159
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,460
um should have been the lead in the

1160
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,040
article number one but yeah

1161
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,980
um it's down at the bottom and you would

1162
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,200
think that I've talked to Leslie Kane

1163
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:02,400
about this I've talked to Ralph

1164
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,920
Blumenthal about this on the air

1165
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,260
um about due diligence and and vetting

1166
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,119
quotes like that and he said well that

1167
00:48:15,609 --> 00:48:11,760
is the New York Times did what they had

1168
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,619
to do to to vet that quote all right

1169
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,720
well that's like the biggest news in

1170
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,240
human history

1171
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:23,280
why why isn't this being followed up on

1172
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,940
why isn't and it seems that this is now

1173
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:29,579
chatter that is happening in Washington

1174
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:31,560
DC

1175
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:34,740
um what what what do you is your

1176
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,140
position going to change if we start

1177
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,420
having testimony uh you know

1178
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:41,819
whistleblower stuff well yeah his

1179
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,740
testimony is one thing like testimony is

1180
00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:45,900
would be great but do you remember I'm

1181
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:48,740
sure you remember the disclosure project

1182
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:51,660
and the the talks that were given in the

1183
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:54,180
The Press Club uh back I can't remember

1184
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,640
what it was it might have been like

1185
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,260
2013. right yeah there was an earlier

1186
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:01,040
one as well I think yeah

1187
00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:03,540
a bunch of whistleblowers came forward

1188
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,359
and they told us about things like like

1189
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,359
uh crash retrieval uh having seen alien

1190
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,700
bodies one woman had photographs of

1191
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,319
bases on the moon

1192
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,960
all these things you know came out so

1193
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:17,160
but

1194
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:18,900
it wasn't really it wasn't backed up

1195
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,819
with anything yeah but that's not what I

1196
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,119
heard anyway

1197
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,040
what if we get somebody from Lockheed

1198
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:28,560
Skunk Works that brings ranks and comes

1199
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:31,740
off the bigot list and and says yeah I

1200
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:34,020
work at Skunk Works and we've got a

1201
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:36,859
craft and we can't make this thing fly

1202
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,780
but yes we have it what do we do with

1203
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,280
that and that's there's some

1204
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:43,619
expectations that this actually may

1205
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,200
happen this year yeah so if that happens

1206
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,540
there's there's you know two ways of

1207
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,579
interpreting it it's either true or it's

1208
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:52,200
not

1209
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:54,740
um if it's true

1210
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,440
uh that I mean if they do actually have

1211
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,440
an alien craft they're with strange

1212
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:03,300
technology that's world changing you

1213
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,740
know like you like you say like this is

1214
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,940
one of the biggest things in human

1215
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,140
history

1216
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:09,839
and so the the news that the biggest

1217
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:12,660
thing in human history has happened is

1218
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,800
something that would get a lot of

1219
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,839
scrutiny and so people would ask

1220
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:17,760
questions and they'd want it to back it

1221
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,300
up so just simply some guy saying uh

1222
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,460
that that this was true I don't think

1223
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:25,619
would be enough by itself well we get

1224
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:29,460
some people like uh Steve Justice what

1225
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,859
if it was Steve Justice yeah but people

1226
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,319
can believe things and say things which

1227
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:36,960
to them are true and so the under oath

1228
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:38,040
they could be saying that they believe

1229
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:41,400
certain things to be true but that they

1230
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,079
might be misremembering they might have

1231
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,720
misunderstood or they they might

1232
00:50:49,569 --> 00:50:47,220
um they might have seen something and

1233
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,579
it's not what they thought it was yeah

1234
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,380
so then we've got to move on so like you

1235
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:53,760
know he's given his testimony to

1236
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:56,760
Congress that I think would uh trigger

1237
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,460
investigations at the very least a lot

1238
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,920
of media investigations and probably

1239
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:04,440
some Congressional and senates and say

1240
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,780
upper level government investigations it

1241
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,059
would be a big Firestorm of stuff going

1242
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:10,800
on if something of that level actually

1243
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,339
happened and so you know we would just I

1244
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:16,440
just watch this as it is unfold I don't

1245
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:17,900
have to do anything at this point

1246
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,760
putting any videos out it would be a

1247
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,319
very interesting situation but I think

1248
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,660
it would be the start of something it

1249
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,280
wouldn't be the end it wouldn't be

1250
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:28,440
disclosure it would be the source of

1251
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:30,059
something that either reveals that

1252
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:33,540
there's this bizarre set of

1253
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:37,160
weird things going on that isn't aliens

1254
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,500
or it's something that reveals that you

1255
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,000
know we actually do have contact with

1256
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,440
aliens and then we've got a we've got to

1257
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,119
deal with either of those two things you

1258
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,520
know Eric Weinstein like is always

1259
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:49,920
saying that this is the biggest story

1260
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,819
ever

1261
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,520
because either it's this Monumental

1262
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:55,740
cock-up on the part of the government

1263
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,300
and the military where they've got all

1264
00:52:01,930 --> 00:51:59,280
this stuff about aliens going on but

1265
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,940
it's not aliens or it's aliens

1266
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,559
uh I I tend to think that we haven't

1267
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:06,960
really got to the the stage of either of

1268
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,240
those realities yet I don't think we

1269
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,760
really have this you know vast amount of

1270
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,559
evidence and belief but we're kind of

1271
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,180
getting towards it we're getting towards

1272
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:17,040
this situation where there's serious

1273
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:20,040
people like talking about about aliens

1274
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,660
when it's possible that they are

1275
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:23,400
mistaken

1276
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:26,460
we get here because it it happened

1277
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,240
pretty quickly right

1278
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,920
five I've been investigating this for 50

1279
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:34,319
years I'm 60 years old okay so I've been

1280
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,520
doing this since I was 10. and uh and I

1281
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,040
know a lot about a lot but that's just

1282
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:44,880
basic research but I have never seen the

1283
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:47,640
end of climate in my 50 years of

1284
00:52:52,809 --> 00:52:49,980
research what has gone down in the last

1285
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:52,819
you know since 2017 almost six years now

1286
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,420
uh where it is everywhere it's in the

1287
00:53:02,450 --> 00:52:59,579
White House Press Room it's on Capitol

1288
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,460
Hill it's at the dod it's at the

1289
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:04,260
Pentagon press conferences at South

1290
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:06,119
cover of the New York Times we got

1291
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:08,099
whistleblowers we got Pilots we got this

1292
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:12,180
we got 60 minutes it's all you know well

1293
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:13,980
we used to have this guy named Tucker

1294
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:16,260
Carlson but

1295
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:18,780
um uh I think the alien agenda took him

1296
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:21,020
out but yeah

1297
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,540
why why now it's I think it's in a way

1298
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:26,400
it's the perfect storm is there's a

1299
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,260
bunch of pressure has always been there

1300
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:30,960
but by people who wants to get

1301
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:33,420
disclosure out you know Leslie Kane has

1302
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:35,220
been wanting to do it a long time Ralph

1303
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:36,900
Blumenthal has been interested in a long

1304
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,900
time uh and they managed to persuade the

1305
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:41,460
New York Times that they could write an

1306
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:42,839
article

1307
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,559
um luellizondo I got convinced at some

1308
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,380
point the aliens are real and he's been

1309
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,359
working behind the scenes it seems you

1310
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,480
know in various ways to try to promote

1311
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:56,520
this this agenda like

1312
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,540
um uh uh the his his the the other guy

1313
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,760
the tall guy the Secretary of State the

1314
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:04,559
Secretary of Defense Guy what's his name

1315
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:08,640
melon Chris melon is you know also a big

1316
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:12,119
uh believer he's being convinced this is

1317
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,500
what happens and enough people get

1318
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,119
convinced of these things and they they

1319
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:17,760
work towards it and we had the perfect

1320
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:21,420
set of circumstances we had uh Elizondo

1321
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,359
deciding to to leave his position we had

1322
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,480
Tom DeLong for some reason deciding he

1323
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:30,300
wanted to start a a company to do things

1324
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:31,859
and he managed to persuade people like

1325
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,619
Steve Justice to to come along and

1326
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:37,020
design a anti-gravity spaceship for him

1327
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,260
based on studying UFOs and we have the

1328
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:42,839
Old Guard people like Hal putoff and

1329
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:45,599
Jack valet either like right there in in

1330
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,700
the ttsa or behind the scenes talking

1331
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:50,040
and Advising and it all just kind of

1332
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:53,339
came to this point and this was his Crux

1333
00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:55,800
with the New York Times story and when

1334
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,540
the New York Times story was published

1335
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,420
and they had these two videos of genuine

1336
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,700
UFOs from the uh the from the military

1337
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:04,440
of the US government

1338
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,640
he then kind of broke the dam allowed

1339
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,440
everybody to start talking about it

1340
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,180
allowed everybody to start discussing

1341
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,460
UFOs and even a lot of people to start

1342
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:17,040
investigating UFOs and then that just

1343
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:18,900
created this you know Perfect Storm

1344
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,000
which built upon itself like one of

1345
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:23,040
those super waves a bunch of small waves

1346
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,420
come along and eventually it builds up

1347
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,300
and you get a big wave and uh you know

1348
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,640
it's got to where we are now I think

1349
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,319
though that it's

1350
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,180
it's kind of

1351
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,059
run its natural course in that type of

1352
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:37,980
thing and what we're seeing now is

1353
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,880
almost an artificial uh inflation of

1354
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:44,099
that wave and I think the bubble might

1355
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:45,780
be about to pop

1356
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:48,660
yeah and pop in a good way or pop in a

1357
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:49,800
bad way

1358
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,980
well it depends on your perspective uh I

1359
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:55,260
think you know what's what's happening

1360
00:56:02,329 --> 00:55:58,980
with arrow is that it's the serious

1361
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:02,339
attention that ufology has been asking

1362
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,339
for and demanding uh for many years they

1363
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,400
they've UFO people are being like take

1364
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:09,839
me seriously

1365
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,359
take the subject seriously this is a

1366
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:14,400
real thing you know we should be have we

1367
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:16,020
should have scientists investigating it

1368
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:17,400
the government should be investigating

1369
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,500
it there should be hearings in in

1370
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,420
Congress and the Senate and now you're

1371
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:23,520
getting those things you're getting a

1372
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,800
task force which has teams of people

1373
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:28,559
science team a military team they're

1374
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:30,599
investigating all these UFOs they want

1375
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:32,460
to make as much stuff public as they can

1376
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:35,460
we've got like RV Loeb setting up giant

1377
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:37,500
telescopes everywhere scanning the skies

1378
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,800
looking for UFOs and we've got people

1379
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:43,680
spending millions of dollars on on Tech

1380
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,460
startups to use AI to study UFO reports

1381
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,960
trying to glean some interesting

1382
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:51,599
information from it we've got a vast

1383
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,099
amount I think we've got people we've

1384
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:55,140
got the military going back through all

1385
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:58,200
old radar reports and the old FAA radar

1386
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,880
we've got NASA looking at these these

1387
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,980
public domain things all this stuff's

1388
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:03,960
going on is this Spotlight is this

1389
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:06,780
seriousness that ufology has demanded

1390
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:09,300
but what if with all that attention

1391
00:57:14,329 --> 00:57:11,940
nothing comes out nothing comes to the

1392
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:14,339
surface the the light has been switched

1393
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:17,160
on but the room is empty if that happens

1394
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:18,780
I think a lot of people are going to be

1395
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,720
really disappointed and the uh

1396
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,359
the air will go out of the bubble well

1397
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:26,700
it's it's um it's it's also history

1398
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,140
repeating itself because if we go back

1399
00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:35,280
and we look at the different phases of

1400
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:39,240
things uh in in the 50s and the 60s

1401
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,040
um uh the the of course the 1952 uh uh

1402
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:47,160
Washington DC flyover which is a was a

1403
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:50,280
very serious situation at that time and

1404
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,200
then the formation of nycap and the

1405
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:54,720
lifting of UFO secrecy with Donald Kehoe

1406
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:57,300
that was a big deal and that was staffed

1407
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:01,440
the board of nycap was uh uh Navy

1408
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:05,099
Admirals and eventually in the 1960s the

1409
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:08,460
CIA got involved with it this was all to

1410
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,339
lift the secrecy behind UFOs and if you

1411
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:13,619
look at all of the research that was

1412
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:16,140
going on at that time Mick

1413
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,180
um and the cases that were being brought

1414
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:19,920
forward forget about blue book that was

1415
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,319
something that was completely separate

1416
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:25,140
um all of that was going on and and fell

1417
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:29,040
apart blue book lasted until 1969 and

1418
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:32,099
then the wheels came off of that and it

1419
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:34,920
it it's a cyclical thing that we find

1420
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,000
ourselves in so we had just like uh the

1421
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:40,799
media is paying attention to this today

1422
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,980
they were doing this in 1952 I am 1953

1423
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,079
1954.

1424
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:49,200
um a very high level of Hysteria in this

1425
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,160
country

1426
00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:52,559
it was it was it was crazy time there

1427
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:54,059
was also

1428
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:55,559
um again if you just look at the

1429
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:58,680
Historical perspective on this

1430
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:01,380
um in nineteen

1431
00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:05,640
forty five and 46 in Albuquerque Los

1432
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:08,220
Alamos uh and of course we know about

1433
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:10,859
Trinity in the atomic bomb and and

1434
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:12,420
everything that was going on at that

1435
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:13,440
time

1436
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:18,420
over Los Alamos for a period of about a

1437
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:22,920
year were green glowing balls of light

1438
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,500
that would come in in pairs and

1439
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,020
sometimes in groups of three and and

1440
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:30,780
past and it was freaking out the

1441
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:33,420
scientists there I mean I mean losing

1442
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,500
their minds to the point where they they

1443
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:39,119
had no explanation for we're talking

1444
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:40,440
about the smartest people on planet

1445
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,140
Earth we're all at that one one spot at

1446
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:46,140
that one time so they installed three

1447
00:59:52,910 --> 00:59:49,319
different ginormous radar installations

1448
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,920
to triangulate and chase this stuff down

1449
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:55,020
um these were the things that were

1450
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:58,799
happening it wasn't just you know Bo and

1451
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,280
mo in a fishing boat in Louisiana you

1452
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:04,799
know no no this was a very very serious

1453
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,140
situation so we've seen this go through

1454
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:09,900
cyclically so what does the government

1455
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:13,140
actually know based on some of the

1456
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,940
examples that I've just given you which

1457
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:16,799
was always a military perspective active

1458
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:19,140
and the National Security perspective

1459
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:23,220
for the last 70 almost 80 years now so

1460
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:26,339
yeah I believe that there are people in

1461
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:27,720
the in the Pentagon

1462
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:30,720
and agencies that have collected this

1463
01:00:36,289 --> 01:00:33,960
data reports and and sensor and radar

1464
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:36,299
data that have come in from professional

1465
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:38,700
military service people and they've

1466
01:00:43,609 --> 01:00:41,400
collected this data so they I think that

1467
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:43,619
they very well know that there is

1468
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:45,660
something going on they may not know

1469
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:48,900
what but they know it's there

1470
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:52,140
yeah I I don't know uh it was

1471
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:53,339
interesting to me about that type of

1472
01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:55,140
thing the old evidence is that everyone

1473
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:56,520
I talked to seems to have a different

1474
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,720
favorite

1475
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:59,760
um example like the one you just gave me

1476
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:01,619
there with the the green object server

1477
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:03,660
Los Alamos I never heard of that one

1478
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,500
before

1479
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:06,480
and you'd think that if it was such a

1480
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,220
huge event which you know it sounds like

1481
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,799
it would be uh scientists are all

1482
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:12,240
concerned about this and building radar

1483
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:13,680
installations and then not figuring out

1484
01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:16,140
what it was and why why haven't I heard

1485
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,579
about it why is why why aren't other

1486
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:19,079
people bringing it up you know other

1487
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,700
people try to persuade me of old things

1488
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:22,319
and then they some will talk about

1489
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:24,900
Roswell some will talk about uh you know

1490
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:26,700
keyhouse stuff and they'll talk about

1491
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:29,460
there's a guy called Douglas uh and

1492
01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:31,559
various different things from these old

1493
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,000
reports but they all seem to have

1494
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,280
different favorite ones and I think that

1495
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,140
part of that comes down to storytelling

1496
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:40,559
I think if you can tell a tale like that

1497
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,160
in a way uh that's very compelling

1498
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:47,040
and people will

1499
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:49,020
um you know they'll kind of get hooked

1500
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:51,960
into it yeah if you you start believing

1501
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,160
it because you're viewing it from a

1502
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,480
certain perspective

1503
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,339
but you know I'd like to kind of look at

1504
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:58,559
an example like that from from a fresh

1505
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:00,119
perspective and I'd actually really like

1506
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,220
to look into that one with the the green

1507
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:04,559
objects and see see what it's actually

1508
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,359
all about because you know obviously I

1509
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,640
think you found it very compelling and

1510
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:10,740
maybe it actually is so I'll definitely

1511
01:02:16,849 --> 01:02:13,799
look into that one yeah yeah it it

1512
01:02:20,450 --> 01:02:16,859
I love the history of this

1513
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,460
um and and I go back and and and and and

1514
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,040
study and study and study the moderns

1515
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:26,400
and again Nick I I need to I need to

1516
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:28,920
really stress with you

1517
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:32,640
um all of this can't be UFOs I

1518
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:35,760
understand that but I've seen what I

1519
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:39,240
have seen yeah yeah and I am going to go

1520
01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:41,940
and chase this and get the answers and

1521
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:43,319
there are too many people in this

1522
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,180
community that are here in this

1523
01:02:49,329 --> 01:02:46,799
community just like you stated actually

1524
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:49,339
they're here from a personal experience

1525
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:52,680
and and if something has brought them

1526
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:55,859
here and their life's journey has

1527
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,380
brought them here to this moment and and

1528
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,920
I have to respect that because I agree I

1529
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:04,079
agree yeah I have the same crazy ass

1530
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,799
story I sound as crazy as anybody else

1531
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:10,079
you do I mean you sound like you're

1532
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:11,700
you're relating an experience that

1533
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,900
happened to you and that's that's

1534
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:15,180
anything that's all any experience it

1535
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,180
can do they had an experience which from

1536
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:20,099
their perspective appeared to be a

1537
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:21,960
certain way and they're telling that

1538
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:24,180
story as best as they can recall it and

1539
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:27,480
as best as they understand it and I the

1540
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:29,880
vast majority authority of people in

1541
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:32,280
ufology are completely honest someone

1542
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,720
asked me the other day like how many

1543
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,940
fake videos get sent to you and it's

1544
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:38,400
hardly any people are always sending me

1545
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,260
their own videos that they took

1546
01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:42,240
themselves right no one really sends me

1547
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,940
a fake video you see them on Tick Tock

1548
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:46,559
but you know people are not like

1549
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:48,540
promoting them within the UFO Community

1550
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,660
uh you know well they do but you know

1551
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:53,280
they're not like saying I took this

1552
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:56,040
video and the vast majority of people

1553
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,859
are honest and I I believe an experience

1554
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:00,599
so when they tell me they they saw

1555
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:01,980
something I believe that's what they

1556
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:03,960
thought that they saw uh what they

1557
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:06,720
actually saw we don't know but okay

1558
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:08,520
they're being honest have you found one

1559
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:10,440
you haven't debunked have you have you

1560
01:04:15,289 --> 01:04:13,559
had is there a video that even you Mick

1561
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:15,299
was a step back and gone okay well

1562
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,579
that's that's that's pretty nuts I I got

1563
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:19,619
nothing have you seen that video yet

1564
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,579
well yeah on Tick Tock uh there's lots

1565
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:25,500
of anonymous videos that are probably

1566
01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:34,670
your analysis you it wasn't starlink and

1567
01:04:37,789 --> 01:04:36,359
it wasn't Venus it was something that

1568
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:37,799
you couldn't answer and you were

1569
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,260
impressed I I don't think there's one

1570
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,480
where it appears to demonstrate unusual

1571
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:45,119
uh anomalous Behavior or anomalous

1572
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,420
physics I think there's always

1573
01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:50,400
um enough room for a plausible

1574
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:52,140
explanation in this but a lot of the

1575
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:54,839
time there's not enough information to

1576
01:04:59,809 --> 01:04:57,599
determine what that explanation is or to

1577
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,819
pick from a number of various hypotheses

1578
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:02,640
and often that they have problems you

1579
01:05:07,549 --> 01:05:04,619
know sometimes I think like situations

1580
01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:07,559
can arrive where you have uh you know a

1581
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,940
weird set of circumstances or

1582
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:11,760
coincidences and it seems like it might

1583
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,619
be impossible that a certain exclamation

1584
01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:15,839
could be uh there and it's very

1585
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,099
difficult to persuade people that it

1586
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:19,260
might be possible but you know it's it's

1587
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:21,720
a possible hypothesis and it ends up

1588
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:23,880
there's just not enough information to

1589
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,859
make a determination but no I don't

1590
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,299
think there's like a really weird video

1591
01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:30,839
that uh that I think has a weird

1592
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,059
explanation I think it probably has a

1593
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,520
reasonable explanation

1594
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:37,680
um I want to share this with you I need

1595
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:39,480
you know what I'm going to make a note I

1596
01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:40,980
need to take a commercial break so let

1597
01:05:45,069 --> 01:05:43,559
me get this in and then I just gotta

1598
01:05:48,289 --> 01:05:45,079
write uh

1599
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:48,299
uh so I don't forget our guests tonight

1600
01:05:52,450 --> 01:05:50,099
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1601
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,460
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1602
01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:55,200
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01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,240
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01:06:03,049 --> 01:05:59,280
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01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,140
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Mick West a great conversation tonight

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and uh Mick sometimes I like to say that

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01:09:31,309 --> 01:09:28,729
um I I wanted to ask you I know this

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01:09:32,749 --> 01:09:31,319
isn't in your wheelhouse but but it kind

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of is

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01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:34,160
um over the weekend

1690
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:39,900
uh uh a crazy news story broke uh on all

1691
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:43,859
the media about cattle mutilations in

1692
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,980
Texas uh did you read uh the press

1693
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:49,380
release on this uh I've I've read bits

1694
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,339
of the story I'm not sure if I've read

1695
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,080
the original press release but familiar

1696
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:54,960
with like six cows kills tongues uh

1697
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,380
removed and uh nobody knows what's going

1698
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:01,199
on yeah no blood there was a seventh uh

1699
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:05,940
cow uh they updated uh the the the story

1700
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,940
today so there was a seventh exactly the

1701
01:10:17,770 --> 01:10:11,760
same fashion no blood uh surgical

1702
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:17,780
Precision but removed uh others

1703
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,699
ear right

1704
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:22,800
um but no blood no tire tracks no

1705
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:25,080
Footprints no Predators nothing like

1706
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:28,560
that just seemingly uh just dropped off

1707
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:31,380
and mutilated for no reason oh yeah

1708
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:33,480
that's fascinating yeah what do you make

1709
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:35,580
of that I I think there's the cattle

1710
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:40,679
mutilation thing is uh mostly uh if not

1711
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:44,159
entirely uh just natural causes I think

1712
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:47,940
uh how so I think that uh what happens

1713
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,920
is a cow dies and uh then the soft bits

1714
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:55,080
of that cow like the lips and the you

1715
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,300
know the rectum and the genitals get

1716
01:11:02,750 --> 01:10:59,640
eaten by Critters first because those

1717
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:02,760
are the bits that are easiest to eat uh

1718
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:06,840
and uh wouldn't you see that everywhere

1719
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,780
yeah but I this is a this is a thing

1720
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,580
like I mean when a cow dies probably

1721
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:13,560
like you know the the farmer will see it

1722
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:15,780
uh and then they'll they'll deal with it

1723
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:18,600
but it requires a cow to die and be left

1724
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:20,940
there for a while now six cows dying at

1725
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:24,300
the same time is a bit odd uh now you

1726
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:26,100
normally would see like a single cow die

1727
01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:27,719
but this is something that does actually

1728
01:11:31,790 --> 01:11:30,179
happen like that this cows actually get

1729
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,800
like stressed or they'll all eat the

1730
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,600
same thing or they'll get shocked by

1731
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:36,000
they'll get struck by lightning all at

1732
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,320
the same time this is something that

1733
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:39,840
happens that's been quite much larger

1734
01:11:44,270 --> 01:11:41,460
herds of cattle that are struck by

1735
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:44,280
lightning so it's so let's say that

1736
01:11:48,850 --> 01:11:46,380
happened in this example there was a

1737
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:48,860
lightning uh strike six cows were killed

1738
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,140
uh over the few days like some coyotes

1739
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:54,300
came in and they ate the soft bits of

1740
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:55,800
the cows like you know starting with

1741
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,500
their tongues and you know the the faces

1742
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:00,560
and their rectums and things like that

1743
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,320
uh and then they get found and because

1744
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:07,440
they're all six dead together and

1745
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:09,000
they've all had the same bits eaten

1746
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,260
because they're all they've all got the

1747
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:12,420
same sausages don't you think that's

1748
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:14,100
where I've got to play Devil's Advocate

1749
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:18,480
with you sure that the the sheriff's

1750
01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:20,580
department in the middle of freaking

1751
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:21,560
Texas

1752
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:25,020
is dead cattle all the time right yeah

1753
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,960
but like it's the sheriff's department

1754
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,000
the people you want to ask you want to

1755
01:12:35,149 --> 01:12:32,159
you want to get a forensic animal

1756
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:35,159
pathologist to examine the corpses and

1757
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:38,340
they did and that that came out today

1758
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:41,580
too as well okay okay I'll Circle back

1759
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,260
to that

1760
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,800
um uh and now I forgot oh here's my note

1761
01:12:51,649 --> 01:12:48,540
this is what I wanted to Circle back to

1762
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:51,659
see this is the beauty of not having an

1763
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,640
agenda with a conversation I'm all over

1764
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:55,440
the place tonight

1765
01:13:04,010 --> 01:12:59,400
um is that surgical Precision of

1766
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:04,020
removing a tongue is these uh these

1767
01:13:10,330 --> 01:13:07,140
Ranch teachers and these sheriffs that

1768
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:10,340
are dealing with cattle and and and

1769
01:13:14,410 --> 01:13:13,199
Hustlers and wrestlers and things all

1770
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:14,420
the time

1771
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:17,940
for them to say something like this uh

1772
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:20,040
that it's not a predator and there's no

1773
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,440
credit or Footprints and there's nothing

1774
01:13:27,649 --> 01:13:24,480
like this here

1775
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:27,659
um no I I I don't feel it I know it's

1776
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,120
it's it's uh it's one of those things

1777
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:32,640
though like you would think that an

1778
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:35,640
expert or someone in Authority at least

1779
01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:37,560
it was lived in this position would

1780
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,260
would know but it this this case you

1781
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,540
know I don't follow cattle mutilation so

1782
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,000
much but I do follow UFOs and there was

1783
01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:47,760
a case recently I think in Utah and

1784
01:13:51,169 --> 01:13:48,500
Colorado

1785
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:51,179
where there were these swarms of drones

1786
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:54,120
flying over fields and they had the

1787
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:56,040
sheriff out there saying like that they

1788
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:57,480
were seeing them and they sent a camera

1789
01:14:01,610 --> 01:14:00,360
crew out with with the sheriff and the

1790
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:01,620
sheriff was like oh there goes another

1791
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,260
one and points to this this thing for

1792
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:05,760
flying overhead

1793
01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:08,940
but you know I recognized what it was it

1794
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,940
was a 737 and it was just very high up

1795
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,199
and I can recognize the navigation

1796
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:14,880
lights and we even figured out which one

1797
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,440
it was because they weren't that we knew

1798
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,480
the the intersection they were at but

1799
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,120
you know here's a sheriff who's a law

1800
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:23,040
enforcement official a trained Observer

1801
01:14:27,709 --> 01:14:25,380
who's you know been in this situation

1802
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:27,719
for a long time he sees planes fly over

1803
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:30,600
all overhead but he gets caught up in

1804
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:33,600
the excitement of uh it being a drone

1805
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:37,199
swarm and he misidentifies a 737 as a

1806
01:14:42,169 --> 01:14:39,659
drone so I think there's something

1807
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,179
similar might happen with with cattle

1808
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,580
they don't go locking in cow's mouths

1809
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:46,800
every time a cow dies to see if his

1810
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:49,020
tongue's still there and they don't know

1811
01:14:53,870 --> 01:14:51,540
what happens at the various stages of

1812
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:53,880
every single cow uh dropping dead you

1813
01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:55,560
know they you know they're sure they're

1814
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:57,000
they're the sheriff but they're not

1815
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:58,260
they're not vets

1816
01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:00,659
uh so I think you perhaps there's this

1817
01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:03,060
this air of false Authority that we

1818
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:04,679
might get and you need to get an actual

1819
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:07,560
Authority if someone's an expert in this

1820
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:09,780
type of thing someone who knows what

1821
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,460
happens to a cow if you leave it there

1822
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:13,679
for a while it really is something going

1823
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,500
on why don't we you know take some dead

1824
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:18,239
cows and leave them in the field and see

1825
01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:19,860
what happens to them I've done that I've

1826
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,659
done that and I've seen the time lapse

1827
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,719
video of that and that is an organic

1828
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:27,440
dissolving of everything

1829
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:31,080
yeah yeah and and so

1830
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,960
I'm talking about right angles of skin

1831
01:15:38,990 --> 01:15:36,300
yeah yeah you know as far as I know

1832
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:39,000
coyotes don't have opposing thumbs and

1833
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,780
cannot use dremels I'm just saying I'm

1834
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:44,820
just saying yeah I'm just going there

1835
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:49,140
I'm I'm a little perplexed and to have a

1836
01:15:55,209 --> 01:15:52,440
seventh uh for all from different herds

1837
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:55,219
but along this now this is the thing

1838
01:16:03,530 --> 01:15:59,400
this is the K this is the rare case that

1839
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:06,410
because I I would fully understand that

1840
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:09,840
I would get it I would and okay so

1841
01:16:14,510 --> 01:16:12,420
they're grabbing cows and they're

1842
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:14,520
experimenting on them and then dropping

1843
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,540
them off all right the alternative

1844
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,600
um we've got zombie coyotes running

1845
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,540
around you know killing or we've got a

1846
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:26,880
satanic cult doing rituals along the

1847
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,640
Texas Highway that stuff would scare

1848
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:31,980
scare me that's not what I wanted to be

1849
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,920
I'd rather have it be aliens yeah no

1850
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:37,020
well maybe someone who really likes

1851
01:16:40,669 --> 01:16:38,940
tongue meat found six dead cows that

1852
01:16:42,110 --> 01:16:40,679
have been struck by lightning I don't

1853
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:42,120
drop the tongues out and took it home

1854
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:44,580
yeah I don't want that man that's the

1855
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,860
part that I don't want please let it be

1856
01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:48,480
alien yeah I mean something weird

1857
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:50,760
happened uh it might have involved

1858
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,739
people it might have involved aliens or

1859
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:54,420
it might have just been natural causes

1860
01:16:57,410 --> 01:16:55,860
and it's one of these things where we

1861
01:17:00,890 --> 01:16:57,420
don't have enough information to tell

1862
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:00,900
yeah the foxes have very sharp side

1863
01:17:05,810 --> 01:17:03,480
teeth almost like scissors and that they

1864
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:05,820
can make very sharp Cuts in in soft

1865
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,460
tissues and so they can kind of cleanly

1866
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:11,040
cut along like the lip line of a face

1867
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:14,820
and it looks very neat according to uh

1868
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:18,060
CIA the CAA report so in the was it the

1869
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:19,860
ca the FBI the FBI was asked to

1870
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:21,780
investigate it and one of the things

1871
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,300
that they got was this report from a a

1872
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,120
Veterinary like pathologist who talked

1873
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,520
about how foxes had very sharp teeth and

1874
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:31,500
that would explain a lot of what we were

1875
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,140
seeing so there are possibilities and I

1876
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,760
think you know we should be open to them

1877
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,679
I think aliens probably pretty low on

1878
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,360
the list uh some kind of secret

1879
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:41,520
government program is probably also you

1880
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:43,320
know more likely than aliens but also

1881
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,500
fairly low on the list some weirdo uh

1882
01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:49,199
killing cows and cutting them up is or

1883
01:17:53,209 --> 01:17:50,820
finding dead cows and chopping their

1884
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:53,219
tongues out possible but you know also

1885
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:54,900
doesn't sound particularly likely and

1886
01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:56,460
then some kind of natural causes that

1887
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:58,679
just happens to look like this is also

1888
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:00,300
something that's you know on the list

1889
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,920
but we don't really know exactly where

1890
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,159
to put it I don't know about

1891
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:06,960
nibbling with preset

1892
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:09,840
you know I don't know I don't know

1893
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:13,679
I don't know foxes not coyotes but uh

1894
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,140
and possums yeah opossums and the

1895
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,239
raccoons and skunks think smaller

1896
01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:20,400
animals they uh they kind of nor at

1897
01:18:24,169 --> 01:18:22,920
things but I don't know like we don't

1898
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:24,179
know what the circumstances were I'm

1899
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,380
sure you could leave a car in a field

1900
01:18:30,169 --> 01:18:27,659
but we really got to leave a cow in that

1901
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:30,179
field at the same time of the year with

1902
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,100
the same types of animal life around and

1903
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,560
leave it for a period of time if you

1904
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:35,760
just leave it in a random field you're

1905
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:37,739
going to get a random uh you know

1906
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,679
dissolution of the body that's uh it's

1907
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:43,440
one of those things that I I like doing

1908
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:46,440
uh garage experiments but I'm not gonna

1909
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:48,540
kill a cow and stick it in my garage and

1910
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:51,239
watch what happens right right right uh

1911
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:53,159
I'm just wondering if we're gonna have a

1912
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,040
run you know this summer of cow

1913
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:58,860
mutilation stories you don't have to you

1914
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:01,020
know run run in Cycles

1915
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:04,260
um what I wanted to mention uh to you

1916
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:06,060
um and I I really hope the mutilations

1917
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:09,179
are aliens uh I will sleep better at

1918
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,560
night

1919
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:11,760
um the

1920
01:19:19,330 --> 01:19:15,960
um uh I had this siding I had just

1921
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:19,340
gotten back uh hanging out with Avi lobe

1922
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:24,540
and so I get back home and I run out uh

1923
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:26,760
on my patio at night I was talking about

1924
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:28,739
this earlier just like the video that I

1925
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:30,360
shot you know I'm always out there with

1926
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:32,880
my binoculars my night vision and I'm

1927
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,380
right next to Skunk Works and there's

1928
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,239
always something interesting to see and

1929
01:19:40,370 --> 01:19:38,040
observe it's a lot of you should come

1930
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,380
out it's a lot of fun you'll debunk

1931
01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:42,000
everything but it's still really cool to

1932
01:19:45,970 --> 01:19:44,940
go through the experience and uh so I'm

1933
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:45,980
out there

1934
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:48,960
and from the perspective of the video

1935
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,480
that that you broke down of mine right

1936
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:54,120
I'm looking North I'm not really doing

1937
01:20:01,490 --> 01:19:57,420
anything by the way uh I'm just standing

1938
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,500
and this is what happens it's about 11

1939
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:03,840
o'clock at night

1940
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:07,080
from the north Over the Horizon and the

1941
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:10,679
whole thing lasted about

1942
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:15,659
two seconds oh okay uh the first so this

1943
01:20:20,030 --> 01:20:17,400
bright light

1944
01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:20,040
comes out over the horizon

1945
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:23,219
at a slight angle goes all the way

1946
01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:24,840
across the sky

1947
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:29,640
over and disappears in in the behind the

1948
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:33,360
mountains in back of me it covers the

1949
01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:36,080
hemisphere right

1950
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:39,239
in two seconds now I see stuff all the

1951
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:42,120
time you see planes and you see you know

1952
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,560
this this was a bullet yeah right okay

1953
01:20:52,729 --> 01:20:49,199
so as I see that

1954
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:52,739
and I'm like now what

1955
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:55,920
hey I just never seen anything like it

1956
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,679
I saw it happened a second time like

1957
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:01,199
five seconds later as I'm sitting there

1958
01:21:07,370 --> 01:21:05,520
going huh Bing right over the top and

1959
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:07,380
goes over the horizon

1960
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:11,219
I I write everything down time direction

1961
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:14,159
right everything I run in the house and

1962
01:21:19,490 --> 01:21:17,340
I send Avi an email okay dude

1963
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:19,500
this has got what well I don't know what

1964
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,580
it was

1965
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:22,860
but this has to have been observed so

1966
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:24,179
this is what happened I give him

1967
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:26,640
everything I give him the direction I

1968
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:28,739
give him the time

1969
01:21:34,729 --> 01:21:31,080
um I thankfully I had written everything

1970
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:34,739
down I knew it pretty much to the minute

1971
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:37,440
and I said Avi just check with all of

1972
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:39,600
the observatories around the world

1973
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,880
somebody saw this you know and I don't

1974
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:43,800
know what street passed the planet

1975
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:46,199
that's what I think it was

1976
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:50,820
um uh meteor uh asteroid undetected I

1977
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:52,620
don't know but it didn't enter the

1978
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:55,140
atmosphere it didn't flame out it stayed

1979
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:58,739
up right Avi writes me back uh the next

1980
01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:00,420
day he said man I checked around

1981
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:02,219
we got nothing

1982
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:04,380
I said that some I wrote I'll be back

1983
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:07,380
and said that's impossible there is no

1984
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:10,980
way that this was not seen and it

1985
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,219
happened twice yeah so please and he

1986
01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,199
wrote me back and said Jimmy I I made

1987
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,900
the rounds man and I've reached out to

1988
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:21,060
everybody and and we've got nothing

1989
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:22,560
nothing showed up

1990
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:25,800
and I'm still I'm a little this this one

1991
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,199
I'm a little confused about

1992
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:30,900
um it went across the entire Sky yeah

1993
01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:33,960
back to back it looked like you know it

1994
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:37,140
which was very unusual to have that

1995
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:39,179
repeat because that the second one

1996
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,980
caught me more by surprise than the

1997
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:43,199
first one did I didn't expect it I just

1998
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,760
happened to be looking in the same area

1999
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,520
like huh that was weird and then boom it

2000
01:22:51,410 --> 01:22:49,679
happened a second time

2001
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:51,420
um and Avi

2002
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:54,960
had nothing yeah well I got nothing

2003
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,960
either yeah but like there's a number of

2004
01:23:01,310 --> 01:22:59,520
things you can do with that like first

2005
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:01,320
of all like you said it it went from

2006
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,780
Horizon to Horizon in two seconds

2007
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:06,480
which is incredibly fast incredibly fast

2008
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:08,540
incredibly fast you know the the ISS

2009
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:11,580
takes uh like you know like 10 minutes

2010
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:13,140
or something because it's completely

2011
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,540
overhead it's it's uh and that's like

2012
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:18,080
200 miles 250 miles up

2013
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,640
uh so you know if it was something that

2014
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:22,320
was actually you know in space or in the

2015
01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:25,020
lower atmosphere uh it's it would be

2016
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:27,300
just you know insanely fast like planes

2017
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,400
going from Horizon to Horizon they take

2018
01:23:33,649 --> 01:23:32,040
they take a long time many minutes you

2019
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:33,659
know what I do

2020
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,060
um this is interesting I'll go back uh

2021
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,159
I'll get the email that I sent to Avi

2022
01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:40,800
that had no data in it and I'll send it

2023
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,880
to you

2024
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,159
um it's all there it's all time stamped

2025
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,080
um yeah that would be interesting yeah

2026
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:49,199
but I think probably like another aspect

2027
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:50,400
of that is kind of like what we talked

2028
01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:52,920
about earlier uh is that if it was this

2029
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:54,540
amazing spectacular thing that was

2030
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,820
flying overhead it's you'd think someone

2031
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,739
else would have seen it usually when

2032
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:00,480
there's a meteorite there's quite a few

2033
01:24:04,669 --> 01:24:03,060
reports of people uh uh seeing them and

2034
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:04,679
this one sounded like pretty spectacular

2035
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:06,840
too one after the other going from

2036
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,300
Horizon to Horizon which makes me

2037
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,460
suspect and you probably won't like this

2038
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:13,199
that it was something that was only

2039
01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:15,420
visible from your perspective which

2040
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,980
might mean it was something a lot

2041
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,199
smaller like someone perhaps just

2042
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,120
shooting a firework over your head or

2043
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,520
something oh I I I was I was even going

2044
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,980
more mundane than that look I debunked

2045
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:27,600
this stuff in my head all the time right

2046
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:29,940
and I was thinking maybe it was like a

2047
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:32,760
hawk right it was just something that

2048
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:34,980
just happened to be flying but you know

2049
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:38,100
and I'm trying to keep myself grounded

2050
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,239
here right and not lose it but no and

2051
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,980
then the second time that it happened

2052
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,500
you could tell

2053
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:48,239
um uh the first time it caught me by

2054
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:50,520
surprise I watched the second time I was

2055
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:54,000
able no this was out this was out and

2056
01:24:59,229 --> 01:24:57,000
above this was past planet Earth right

2057
01:25:02,090 --> 01:24:59,239
not satellite

2058
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:02,100
it wasn't detected by you know obvious

2059
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,120
threatens no nobody else saw it so no no

2060
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:08,340
uh other are the aliens giving you a

2061
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:10,440
unique glimpse of their spaceship in

2062
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:13,739
space from down on Earth I don't smoke I

2063
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,000
don't smoke but but here's uh here's the

2064
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,679
thing with that

2065
01:25:29,169 --> 01:25:21,440
um

2066
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:33,410
I really felt uh in a weird way uh that

2067
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:34,860
he was going to come back and go yeah we

2068
01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:36,900
picked it up and it's already gone yes

2069
01:25:42,169 --> 01:25:39,480
we saw it and yes you're right there was

2070
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,179
two two things and it was just a

2071
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:44,340
high-speed asteroid uh maybe

2072
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:46,380
Interstellar whatever and I was going to

2073
01:25:51,530 --> 01:25:49,440
get that back I got nothing yeah I feel

2074
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,540
it's I feel it's too fast though I think

2075
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:54,239
if it was if it was that fast and it was

2076
01:25:57,709 --> 01:25:55,860
in the atmosphere it would basically

2077
01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:57,719
explode it wouldn't get me wouldn't make

2078
01:26:01,850 --> 01:26:00,300
it all the way from one side of the AI

2079
01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:01,860
you've seen things like space junk you

2080
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,940
know I was talking earlier about these

2081
01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:04,080
glowing things

2082
01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:06,060
that I didn't get a video of and that

2083
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:08,040
was like a Chinese rocket re-entering

2084
01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:09,780
and that takes quite a long time even

2085
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:12,060
though it's traveling at you know 20 000

2086
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,500
miles per hour or whatever that they're

2087
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:15,360
going at that's right up in the

2088
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,980
atmosphere you know something going

2089
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,199
across in two seconds it seems like it

2090
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,300
would explode as soon as it it touched

2091
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:23,760
the Earth's atmosphere but I guess Avi

2092
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:26,400
would have some math on that one but I

2093
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:28,260
was pretty upset with them and I you

2094
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:30,659
know and I uh uh I don't want to listen

2095
01:26:37,450 --> 01:26:33,300
all the private email but some of it I

2096
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,460
was starting to elevate my you know my

2097
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,040
I was an anger or angry but I was like

2098
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:44,159
man are you sure are you sure nobody's

2099
01:26:49,790 --> 01:26:47,580
gonna come on did you really check and

2100
01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:49,800
it was like that because I saw what I

2101
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:53,100
saw and I can't explain it

2102
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,260
um and

2103
01:27:00,169 --> 01:26:57,840
exact same exact same trajectory same

2104
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,179
line same everything somebody just

2105
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:03,120
asking the chat how bright it was it was

2106
01:27:08,510 --> 01:27:06,360
the same as a star what if someone shot

2107
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,520
a trace a bullet over your house from a

2108
01:27:12,250 --> 01:27:11,280
few blocks away Would It Go Horizon to

2109
01:27:14,649 --> 01:27:12,260
Horizon

2110
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:14,659
in front of it looked like it

2111
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:18,420
about a mile away so okay so in front of

2112
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,480
me I like where you're going with this

2113
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:24,480
um but uh also where I live and if you

2114
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:26,219
come out and hang out with me you can

2115
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,580
hear your heartbeat right dead quiet at

2116
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:31,440
night there's no cars there's no action

2117
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,960
there's no crime there's no Sirens

2118
01:27:39,370 --> 01:27:36,480
there's nothing but me in the

2119
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:41,810
Lockheed Skunk Works but in front of me

2120
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:44,340
about 10 miles away is a mountain range

2121
01:27:48,590 --> 01:27:45,900
it's the desert this is the Mojave

2122
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:48,600
Desert right it's flat and so out in

2123
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,040
front of me is a mountain range and

2124
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:51,600
that's where it came out and then behind

2125
01:27:56,209 --> 01:27:53,580
me is another set of mountains I'm in

2126
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,219
the middle in the Mojave Desert uh which

2127
01:28:01,850 --> 01:27:58,440
is the morocc lake bed you know where

2128
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:01,860
they did all the the X1 Chuck Yeagers

2129
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:04,260
yeah yeah down things uh Edwards Air

2130
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:05,940
Force Base that's right

2131
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:09,179
so yeah I I I I don't know yeah I don't

2132
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:10,620
know I don't know it sounds really

2133
01:28:14,450 --> 01:28:12,780
interesting uh but you know there's only

2134
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:14,460
so far you can go with with eyewitness

2135
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:17,340
accounts uh you can maybe like you know

2136
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:18,840
do do some of that like hypothetical

2137
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,600
math like if it was in space how fast

2138
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:24,000
would it be going and if it was in the

2139
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,679
atmosphere like how fast would it be

2140
01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:28,560
going and what what type of plasma

2141
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:30,120
effects would you expect you know that's

2142
01:28:34,010 --> 01:28:31,679
the type of thing that RV and apparently

2143
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:34,020
Sean Kirkpatrick like to do is like

2144
01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:35,639
figure out how bright things would be if

2145
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:37,380
they were actually going through the

2146
01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:39,060
atmosphere so you could do that math at

2147
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:40,920
least I would think yeah that's a good

2148
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,380
army to do it yep hot on the heels of

2149
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,840
omomu and everything else that there

2150
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,760
would be some interest here and they

2151
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,679
would go back and and look at the data

2152
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:51,360
and see if anything passed but I got

2153
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,780
nothing I I got total silence and uh I

2154
01:28:59,810 --> 01:28:56,639
was pretty surprised about that now I

2155
01:29:01,490 --> 01:28:59,820
wanted to um as uh as we start to wrap

2156
01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:01,500
up here I wanted to get your thoughts on

2157
01:29:10,030 --> 01:29:05,219
uh the James Webb Space Telescope uh you

2158
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:10,040
do visual analysis you understand

2159
01:29:19,610 --> 01:29:16,380
uh cameras lenses uh Telemetry uh FLIR

2160
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,620
infrared different types of spectrum all

2161
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:22,560
everything that uh the James Webb is out

2162
01:29:27,410 --> 01:29:25,320
there doing right now and looking at the

2163
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:27,420
chemical breakdowns of of different

2164
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:32,100
atmospheres its mission is to find uh a

2165
01:29:38,830 --> 01:29:36,060
techno signature a biosphere out there

2166
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:38,840
with an exoplanet do you expect anything

2167
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:42,780
uh uh any discoveries from James Webb

2168
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:45,540
well this is New Territory we've never

2169
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:47,580
had the capability to do this before so

2170
01:29:54,530 --> 01:29:51,600
we didn't really know what to expect and

2171
01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:54,540
I I don't know if I would say I respect

2172
01:29:59,629 --> 01:29:57,480
I think it would be incredibly cool I I

2173
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:59,639
don't know what odds to put on it I

2174
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,500
wouldn't bet against it though I think

2175
01:30:05,450 --> 01:30:03,540
it's entirely possible that the James

2176
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:05,460
Webb Space Telescope sometime in the

2177
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:09,179
next few years might find a a planet

2178
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:12,120
with at least some kind of primitive

2179
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,980
indication of life

2180
01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:15,840
uh which you know would be pretty

2181
01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:16,860
amazing

2182
01:30:20,450 --> 01:30:18,900
uh I don't know if it's going to find

2183
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:20,460
like you know a space-bearing

2184
01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:22,860
civilization that perhaps like you know

2185
01:30:28,129 --> 01:30:25,320
some type of industry is possible it's

2186
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:28,139
possible it's uh we don't know this is

2187
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,420
there's these huge unknowns about the

2188
01:30:34,250 --> 01:30:32,639
the Drake equation and exactly how

2189
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:34,260
prevalent life is you know we know

2190
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:36,659
there's a trillion possible planets in

2191
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,179
the galaxy but we don't know what

2192
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:40,800
percentage of that and you can say yeah

2193
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:42,659
oh even if it's only like you know one

2194
01:30:46,010 --> 01:30:44,280
tenth of a tenth of a percent there's

2195
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:46,020
still quite a lot but we don't know

2196
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:47,400
maybe it's less than that maybe it's

2197
01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:51,239
more than that and I'd love it I'd love

2198
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:52,920
it if the James Webb Space Telescope

2199
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:55,679
found evidence of Life out there and I

2200
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:57,900
certainly wouldn't bet against it do you

2201
01:31:03,290 --> 01:31:00,719
do you Ponder

2202
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:03,300
um ideas like

2203
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:06,480
if we in our because right now we're

2204
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:08,340
just monkeys and apes on this planet

2205
01:31:16,669 --> 01:31:12,600
right we're not that smart Okay in in

2206
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:16,679
the big in the big picture where the

2207
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:21,120
observable universe is you know 90

2208
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:23,880
billion light years across right that's

2209
01:31:28,669 --> 01:31:25,860
a lot of light years that's a lot of

2210
01:31:34,129 --> 01:31:28,679
that's a lot and we

2211
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:34,139
um we have gone one and a half seconds

2212
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:36,420
off of our planet

2213
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:39,600
that's it to the moon right one and a

2214
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:40,260
half

2215
01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:43,380
seconds we've barely gone down to the

2216
01:31:48,290 --> 01:31:45,000
end of the driveway to check the mail

2217
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:48,300
right so we are very primitive species

2218
01:31:53,390 --> 01:31:50,760
but what what are we doing we're

2219
01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:53,400
detecting exoplanets we're out there

2220
01:31:59,870 --> 01:31:55,620
looking we're at a technical level now

2221
01:32:02,750 --> 01:31:59,880
where we can observe uh light transients

2222
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:02,760
across very distant stars and detect

2223
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:05,639
planets that's pretty incredible so if

2224
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,280
there's an advanced species out there

2225
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:10,560
even at our level they're doing the

2226
01:32:15,229 --> 01:32:12,780
exact same thing right of course right

2227
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:15,239
why wouldn't they they would be looking

2228
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:17,340
for planets if they're a little bit

2229
01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:20,340
ahead of us by just 50 years imagine

2230
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:23,159
where we would be in 50 years so if

2231
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:24,840
they're 50 years in front of us let

2232
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:27,360
alone ten thousand years in front of us

2233
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:30,780
they would have detected us

2234
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:33,239
and the fact that it's a beautiful blue

2235
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:36,480
planet with life on it that's not too

2236
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,880
far of a stretch is it sure no and

2237
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:40,560
that's that's entirely possible if there

2238
01:32:44,030 --> 01:32:41,940
is life out there and there's a lot of

2239
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,040
it it's entirely possible that there's a

2240
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:46,080
civilization that has detected us

2241
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:48,600
because you know they would be very far

2242
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:52,860
away and them detecting us uh doesn't

2243
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:55,139
really it doesn't give them a lot of

2244
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,880
time to get here because human

2245
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:59,280
civilization and our techno signature

2246
01:33:04,570 --> 01:33:01,380
has only lasted it's only been really

2247
01:33:07,490 --> 01:33:04,580
around for a few hundred years basically

2248
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:07,500
so most civilizations in the Galaxy are

2249
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:09,060
going to be much further than you know

2250
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:12,120
100 light years away as far as we know

2251
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,980
we can't go faster than the speed of

2252
01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:16,080
light you know maybe we can but it's

2253
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,360
quite possible it's entirely possible

2254
01:33:22,910 --> 01:33:20,159
that we can't go faster than the speed

2255
01:33:24,610 --> 01:33:22,920
of light so perhaps there are in fact a

2256
01:33:27,229 --> 01:33:24,620
whole bunch of alien civilizations

2257
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:27,239
sending probes in our Direction because

2258
01:33:33,229 --> 01:33:30,480
they they have just detected Us in the

2259
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:33,239
last you know a few decades because it's

2260
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:35,940
taken like 100 years for the the Techno

2261
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:37,620
signatures from Earth to get out there

2262
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,780
so it's possible it's possible I don't

2263
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:41,280
know how likely it is because we don't

2264
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:42,840
know what the prevalence of life is

2265
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:44,940
throughout the Universe it may be that

2266
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:46,500
the average distance between

2267
01:33:52,729 --> 01:33:49,860
civilizations is a thousand light years

2268
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:52,739
so we won't get anybody visiting us for

2269
01:33:55,970 --> 01:33:54,120
a thousand years even if we start

2270
01:33:57,709 --> 01:33:55,980
broadcasting now or 2 000 years because

2271
01:34:01,129 --> 01:33:57,719
it's going to get there and back

2272
01:34:03,410 --> 01:34:01,139
uh and even longer because yeah travel

2273
01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:03,420
takes it takes quite a while not just

2274
01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:06,840
service being right yeah and and I agree

2275
01:34:13,310 --> 01:34:09,420
with that and I used to absolutely 100

2276
01:34:16,729 --> 01:34:13,320
be in that camp I did I've changed my

2277
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:16,739
view on it and and I've only changed my

2278
01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:19,920
view because of certain things like that

2279
01:34:26,750 --> 01:34:22,199
beer can that disappeared it just

2280
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:26,760
vaporized right it's just gone so now if

2281
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:30,060
we look at the way that theoretical

2282
01:34:37,729 --> 01:34:31,199
physics

2283
01:34:38,590 --> 01:34:37,739
looks at the

2284
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,600
the the the the the

2285
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:40,320
math

2286
01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:44,340
that presents to them uh uh 11

2287
01:34:49,090 --> 01:34:46,760
Dimensions right the Multiverse

2288
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:49,100
multi-wirlc

2289
01:34:55,870 --> 01:34:53,040
100 super string so if we go to all of

2290
01:34:59,930 --> 01:34:55,880
that and understand that then something

2291
01:35:04,430 --> 01:34:59,940
coming in and out of our reality

2292
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:04,440
although very briefly is a way to you're

2293
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,360
not traveling at the speed of light

2294
01:35:13,010 --> 01:35:08,239
you're traveling at the speed of now

2295
01:35:14,689 --> 01:35:13,020
right yeah I mean it sounds good well it

2296
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,699
sounds good but does it does it pad out

2297
01:35:18,590 --> 01:35:16,320
with the actual science though I mean

2298
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,600
talk to Avi about this he'll probably

2299
01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:20,880
pour a bit of cold water on your idea no

2300
01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:22,739
no he wouldn't because I would be right

2301
01:35:28,810 --> 01:35:26,940
and but here's the thing here's the

2302
01:35:31,729 --> 01:35:28,820
thing

2303
01:35:34,610 --> 01:35:31,739
200 years ago you and I go back to the

2304
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,620
time machine and and 200 years ago and

2305
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:37,440
you're hanging out some City Town

2306
01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:39,960
doesn't matter and you go hey man check

2307
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:41,580
this out

2308
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:43,260
um in the future

2309
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:46,980
you'll be able to jump in your car at

2310
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:50,880
midnight and drive 20 miles and get a

2311
01:35:56,030 --> 01:35:52,260
cheeseburger

2312
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,040
and drive home and eat it in bed

2313
01:35:59,810 --> 01:35:57,840
in a half an hour

2314
01:36:03,050 --> 01:35:59,820
and then you'd be like man that's a

2315
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:03,060
magnetic sorcery right if you get that

2316
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:04,620
get that out that's impossible that'll

2317
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:08,280
never happen you do it today and I do it

2318
01:36:16,430 --> 01:36:12,239
and we order ubereats on our cell phone

2319
01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,440
because it's easy yeah and E.T getting

2320
01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,900
here from 10 000 light years away

2321
01:36:22,490 --> 01:36:20,280
they're not doing it because they're

2322
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:22,500
traveling for 10 000 years at the speed

2323
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:25,679
of light now no they're doing it because

2324
01:36:31,070 --> 01:36:29,520
it's easy and they do it like that and

2325
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:31,080
that would have to be it we just don't

2326
01:36:35,530 --> 01:36:33,900
have the level of the capacity of

2327
01:36:38,689 --> 01:36:35,540
understanding how that would get done

2328
01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:38,699
just like somebody 200 years ago would

2329
01:36:44,689 --> 01:36:40,860
not have the capacity of understanding a

2330
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:44,699
microwave oven they just no no no and

2331
01:36:51,229 --> 01:36:47,880
and that that's where I'm at I I truly

2332
01:36:53,689 --> 01:36:51,239
believe that uh the breaking the laws of

2333
01:36:56,090 --> 01:36:53,699
it's the laws of physics as we

2334
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:56,100
understand today we don't understand

2335
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:59,340
everything it's no no and we will be a

2336
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:01,440
completely different civilization in in

2337
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,800
10 000 years I I hope so I mean I I hope

2338
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,840
that is true I mean I I think the

2339
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,400
universe will be a much more interesting

2340
01:37:11,450 --> 01:37:10,560
place if we can have faster than light

2341
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:11,460
travel

2342
01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:14,580
uh it does seem that there are pretty

2343
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:18,179
hard constraints upon that uh there's

2344
01:37:21,229 --> 01:37:19,800
some theoretical ways of possibly

2345
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:21,239
getting around here but it doesn't mean

2346
01:37:25,370 --> 01:37:23,219
you know even if we have a million years

2347
01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:25,380
of research it doesn't necessarily mean

2348
01:37:28,129 --> 01:37:27,300
it's going to pan out we can certainly

2349
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:28,139
hope

2350
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,120
that it will pan out and you know it

2351
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:32,880
would be the ideal situation

2352
01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,340
uh but right now like I'm kind of in the

2353
01:37:39,709 --> 01:37:37,320
RV camp like saying that we have to go

2354
01:37:43,790 --> 01:37:39,719
by the physics that we know rather than

2355
01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:43,800
just inventing physics and uh yeah we'll

2356
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,020
we'll see I guess yeah well the the

2357
01:37:51,709 --> 01:37:49,440
problem with that and and uh this is

2358
01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:51,719
where I would argue with with Avi and

2359
01:37:57,530 --> 01:37:54,300
win okay is this

2360
01:38:01,070 --> 01:37:57,540
the speed of light is a fixed number

2361
01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:01,080
that has been agreed upon by the science

2362
01:38:06,490 --> 01:38:04,260
community so their math would work and

2363
01:38:10,610 --> 01:38:06,500
stay consistent

2364
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,620
Einstein's own theories both in special

2365
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:12,480
and general

2366
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,800
state that everything is in flux

2367
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:19,440
time is stretched everything is

2368
01:38:22,430 --> 01:38:20,940
stretched and compressed throughout the

2369
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:22,440
universe that's it and the speed of

2370
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,080
light changes all over the place so you

2371
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:27,840
can't have the same speed of light in

2372
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,980
different parts of the universe it

2373
01:38:33,229 --> 01:38:30,420
doesn't work that way but that would

2374
01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:33,239
also mess with the math so everybody's

2375
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:36,300
equations won't work so they had to come

2376
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:39,540
up with the number and and agree on that

2377
01:38:44,570 --> 01:38:42,840
and use that speed of light figure in

2378
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:44,580
all of the math to make the math work

2379
01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:47,100
but the speed of light changes all over

2380
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:50,460
the universe and any mass and gravity is

2381
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:52,679
going to change in bend light and and

2382
01:38:59,149 --> 01:38:55,139
change the speed that's a fact

2383
01:39:00,890 --> 01:38:59,159
so yeah so that's that's uh to say that

2384
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:00,900
something can exceed the speed of light

2385
01:39:05,810 --> 01:39:03,900
or not the what speed what speed are you

2386
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:05,820
talking about well it has a warp space

2387
01:39:10,189 --> 01:39:08,460
and time if you want to exceed the speed

2388
01:39:12,590 --> 01:39:10,199
of light and then this this

2389
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:12,600
um there's issues with causality uh

2390
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:13,860
which is something I think that's

2391
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,040
difficult to get around but yeah I'm

2392
01:39:21,770 --> 01:39:19,679
with you though I'm with you I I I I I'd

2393
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,780
hold out hope for faster than light

2394
01:39:26,450 --> 01:39:24,480
travel I think it would be amazing I

2395
01:39:28,010 --> 01:39:26,460
don't want to wait like uh you know 200

2396
01:39:30,169 --> 01:39:28,020
years to get to like something that's

2397
01:39:31,689 --> 01:39:30,179
only four light years away I wouldn't be

2398
01:39:36,590 --> 01:39:31,699
there in a jiffy

2399
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:36,600
but and that's why I I just when when

2400
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,420
somebody says and I've I've seen it

2401
01:39:43,930 --> 01:39:41,760
myself but when somebody says well it

2402
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:43,940
appeared in the sky and then it was gone

2403
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:48,000
well that says a lot to me

2404
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:51,420
um I I used to be like you right the

2405
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:53,340
nuts and but you know how could a craft

2406
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,820
travel at near the speed of light for a

2407
01:40:02,270 --> 01:40:00,000
million years why would you do that it

2408
01:40:06,050 --> 01:40:02,280
it just doesn't make no that they don't

2409
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:06,060
do that yeah no no they they step they

2410
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,260
take a step Mick they go they go and

2411
01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:12,960
it's Galaxy to Galaxy it it's something

2412
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:16,380
like that it's that easy it's it's not

2413
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:18,420
some crazy difficult thing that and and

2414
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,520
they've got it figured out that's what

2415
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:22,800
I'm convinced of and that's why we see

2416
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:25,560
things appear and disappear uh so

2417
01:40:28,970 --> 01:40:26,639
quickly

2418
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:28,980
that would be great yeah but you know

2419
01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:31,739
I'm I'm uh I'd love that to be true but

2420
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,659
yeah I'm an evidence-driven person and

2421
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:35,280
the evidence that I've seen of the

2422
01:40:42,770 --> 01:40:40,080
things in our you know on our planet

2423
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:42,780
I I hear the stories and the stories are

2424
01:40:46,910 --> 01:40:44,760
very compelling but I don't think we've

2425
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:46,920
got the physical evidence yet to back

2426
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,840
those stories up so I think we have to

2427
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:50,880
be open to the idea that some of those

2428
01:40:55,129 --> 01:40:52,980
stories are based on misperceptions and

2429
01:40:57,410 --> 01:40:55,139
aren't necessarily representative of

2430
01:40:59,209 --> 01:40:57,420
some advanced technology yeah absolutely

2431
01:41:00,410 --> 01:40:59,219
absolutely

2432
01:41:02,990 --> 01:41:00,420
um

2433
01:41:03,850 --> 01:41:03,000
uh I had one last question and I can't

2434
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:03,860
remember

2435
01:41:09,169 --> 01:41:07,199
uh well oh oh oh oh one last thing I

2436
01:41:10,430 --> 01:41:09,179
wanted to talk about uh David fraver for

2437
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:10,440
a second all right

2438
01:41:15,649 --> 01:41:13,320
um the three videos I'm not I've I've

2439
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:15,659
never bought into so I'm not talking

2440
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:18,659
about the three videos but what I'm very

2441
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:24,719
interested in is favor and others

2442
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:30,120
um uh say what they have seen a very

2443
01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:33,060
confused with that because it doesn't

2444
01:41:39,229 --> 01:41:34,860
match up with the videos at all the

2445
01:41:42,830 --> 01:41:39,239
videos no no no no no no no no I don't

2446
01:41:46,729 --> 01:41:42,840
but fravor is a professional military

2447
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,739
pilot and for him to say it went you

2448
01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:48,719
know and and was gone

2449
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:51,719
um I'm I'm I'm I'm very very confused

2450
01:41:59,330 --> 01:41:54,560
with that now if it's our own technology

2451
01:42:02,510 --> 01:41:59,340
okay all right okay uh we have it but it

2452
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:02,520
that part of it Separates Me from the

2453
01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:04,860
videos I I put the videos in a box and I

2454
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,900
put them on the Shelf what do you what

2455
01:42:12,010 --> 01:42:09,119
do you think fraver saw I didn't know

2456
01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:12,020
what framer saw uh I I have a number of

2457
01:42:16,910 --> 01:42:15,179
hypotheses uh but I think that there's a

2458
01:42:21,229 --> 01:42:16,920
number of issues just right out of the

2459
01:42:24,050 --> 01:42:21,239
bag with uh uh freyva's account and and

2460
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:24,060
that's the there are differences between

2461
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:27,360
the different people accounts there are

2462
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:29,940
three people we know who are given uh

2463
01:42:34,910 --> 01:42:32,340
reports there were four people there

2464
01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:34,920
so there's uh fraver there's Alex

2465
01:42:39,530 --> 01:42:37,380
Dietrich who was a junior pilot at the

2466
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:39,540
time trained being trained her

2467
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,020
backseater was a senior Jim slay

2468
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:45,360
um and then there was another person who

2469
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:48,060
was the backseater on fravers aircraft

2470
01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:49,800
and they've all given these these

2471
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,780
accounts and they all kind of differ so

2472
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:53,520
much you know they all kind of agree on

2473
01:42:58,669 --> 01:42:55,980
the general uh idea that they saw some

2474
01:43:00,649 --> 01:42:58,679
kind of tic-tac-shaped uh object that

2475
01:43:03,229 --> 01:43:00,659
was flying around but the way they

2476
01:43:06,410 --> 01:43:03,239
describe it especially if you look at

2477
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,420
their earliest uh descriptions of it the

2478
01:43:11,149 --> 01:43:09,119
like the early interviews they're quite

2479
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:11,159
varied about about what they saw and

2480
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:12,540
some of it doesn't actually make any

2481
01:43:19,070 --> 01:43:15,239
physical sense like Alex Dietrich talks

2482
01:43:22,250 --> 01:43:19,080
about seeing an object uh flying across

2483
01:43:23,149 --> 01:43:22,260
a region of the water that was White

2484
01:43:24,890 --> 01:43:23,159
Water

2485
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:24,900
in a way that just basically couldn't

2486
01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:26,460
have happened it would have taken like a

2487
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:28,380
thousandth of a second or something from

2488
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:30,900
the speed she was traveling at and it it

2489
01:43:36,109 --> 01:43:33,480
didn't seem to make any sense but the

2490
01:43:39,470 --> 01:43:36,119
biggest thing was this discrepancy uh

2491
01:43:42,129 --> 01:43:39,480
between the times like uh Commander

2492
01:43:44,570 --> 01:43:42,139
fraver describes this almost leisurely

2493
01:43:47,090 --> 01:43:44,580
encounter where they fly up they go to

2494
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:47,100
this what they call merge plot where

2495
01:43:51,770 --> 01:43:49,500
they the the the radar guy tells them

2496
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:51,780
Kevin Day presumably tells them you've

2497
01:43:55,609 --> 01:43:53,940
arrived at where the object is you

2498
01:43:57,229 --> 01:43:55,619
should be seeing it and they look around

2499
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,239
you know they don't see anything they're

2500
01:44:01,970 --> 01:43:59,760
expecting to see it at 20 000 feet and

2501
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:01,980
then after a bit they see something

2502
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:05,400
over there and then they look at it and

2503
01:44:09,709 --> 01:44:07,679
they see it moving around fraver decides

2504
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,719
like I'm gonna go down take a look at

2505
01:44:14,209 --> 01:44:11,340
Alex Dietrich says she'll stay up high

2506
01:44:17,450 --> 01:44:14,219
fraver like goes down and he says very

2507
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:17,460
specifically that he went down slowly he

2508
01:44:22,370 --> 01:44:20,820
took his time a circle yeah yeah he's

2509
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:22,380
just he's doing a descending Circle

2510
01:44:25,790 --> 01:44:24,600
right you you were the flying in a

2511
01:44:27,470 --> 01:44:25,800
straight line or you're flying in a

2512
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,480
circle so you have to keep it in sight

2513
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,280
so he's flying around this this thing

2514
01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:31,920
going down towards it and he sees it

2515
01:44:36,169 --> 01:44:34,380
rise up uh and then they Circle each

2516
01:44:39,290 --> 01:44:36,179
other for a while and he flies across

2517
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:39,300
and then it it disappears and he he

2518
01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:42,119
describes this and you know he made a

2519
01:44:45,649 --> 01:44:43,800
big point of saying that he went down

2520
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:45,659
slowly because if you go down too fast

2521
01:44:51,229 --> 01:44:48,900
you end up running into the ocean uh and

2522
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:51,239
and so he said the entire thing from

2523
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:53,780
merge plot to the object flying away

2524
01:44:59,629 --> 01:44:57,360
took five minutes about five minutes and

2525
01:45:02,750 --> 01:44:59,639
he says that all four Pilots had

2526
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,760
eyeballs on this object for five minutes

2527
01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:05,280
now Alex Dietrich tells a similar story

2528
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,100
like they fly out there they go merge

2529
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:09,840
plot they see the thing she looks down

2530
01:45:13,790 --> 01:45:11,340
to see the thing flies off across the

2531
01:45:16,850 --> 01:45:13,800
Whitewater fraver Zips down flies around

2532
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,860
and the object disappears she says the

2533
01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:19,679
entire encounter took between 8 and 10

2534
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:21,659
seconds

2535
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:22,920
which is

2536
01:45:28,010 --> 01:45:25,560
impossible to reconcile with a 10 minute

2537
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:28,020
encounter

2538
01:45:33,410 --> 01:45:30,600
so there's this huge discrepancy between

2539
01:45:35,450 --> 01:45:33,420
the two accounts and they're both saying

2540
01:45:37,250 --> 01:45:35,460
from merge plot to the object

2541
01:45:38,990 --> 01:45:37,260
disappearing she was quite specific on

2542
01:45:40,669 --> 01:45:39,000
that and I asked her you know several

2543
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:40,679
times if it was from the merge plot

2544
01:45:47,090 --> 01:45:43,800
thing and uh

2545
01:45:49,550 --> 01:45:47,100
fraver says that the first time he saw

2546
01:45:52,910 --> 01:45:49,560
it the second he saw it

2547
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:52,920
uh Alex dietrich's backseater was

2548
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:54,960
talking over the radio do you see this

2549
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,320
thing so the start of the story is line

2550
01:46:02,209 --> 01:46:00,239
up exactly it's merged plot they both

2551
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:02,219
see it at the same time the thing

2552
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,600
disappearing is at the end of the story

2553
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:05,840
and yet Fraser says it took five minutes

2554
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:08,880
Dietrich says it took uh eight to ten

2555
01:46:13,609 --> 01:46:12,719
seconds it doesn't really make any sense

2556
01:46:16,669 --> 01:46:13,619
and and

2557
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,679
they saw something right

2558
01:46:22,189 --> 01:46:19,440
yeah they saw a white object they saw a

2559
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,199
white tic-tac-shaped object but even

2560
01:46:27,470 --> 01:46:24,719
there there's differences like um Jim

2561
01:46:28,609 --> 01:46:27,480
slay in his account that he gave to the

2562
01:46:30,770 --> 01:46:28,619
SCU

2563
01:46:32,209 --> 01:46:30,780
uh which they've released Snippets of

2564
01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:32,219
these accounts but they've not released

2565
01:46:35,330 --> 01:46:33,960
the whole thing and I think the reason

2566
01:46:37,729 --> 01:46:35,340
they're not released the whole thing is

2567
01:46:38,930 --> 01:46:37,739
it contains more discrepancies I think

2568
01:46:40,970 --> 01:46:38,940
there's more differences in the account

2569
01:46:43,010 --> 01:46:40,980
but even in the best they released Jim

2570
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:43,020
slay says that he looks down at this

2571
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:45,780
thing and he saw that the surface of it

2572
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:48,480
was shimmering like a heat Haze

2573
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:51,119
which is a very specific thing to say

2574
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,280
and in all the while this is supposedly

2575
01:46:57,770 --> 01:46:55,440
in the the eight to ten seconds or the

2576
01:46:59,090 --> 01:46:57,780
five minutes uh depending on who you

2577
01:47:01,070 --> 01:46:59,100
believe but you know he was in the same

2578
01:47:02,450 --> 01:47:01,080
plans Alex Dietrich he says he's looking

2579
01:47:05,090 --> 01:47:02,460
down at this thing and he could see a

2580
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,100
heat Ace David fravor didn't see any he

2581
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:08,159
Hayes and he was much closer to it so

2582
01:47:11,930 --> 01:47:09,600
again you've got this kind of radical

2583
01:47:14,270 --> 01:47:11,940
difference in accounts now they all saw

2584
01:47:15,649 --> 01:47:14,280
probably they all saw the same thing at

2585
01:47:18,109 --> 01:47:15,659
some point but they all seem to have a

2586
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,119
very different experiences of it very

2587
01:47:22,010 --> 01:47:19,920
different perceptions and memories do

2588
01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:22,020
you think that's typical of like any car

2589
01:47:26,030 --> 01:47:23,580
accident where you're gonna get five

2590
01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:26,040
different eyewitness uh descriptions of

2591
01:47:31,970 --> 01:47:30,300
sure steam car accident but the the

2592
01:47:34,729 --> 01:47:31,980
directions of the cars were different

2593
01:47:36,649 --> 01:47:34,739
you know yeah but I think what that

2594
01:47:39,530 --> 01:47:36,659
means is that we can we can say there's

2595
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,540
the the basics of it is that they saw a

2596
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,760
white object in the sky and they

2597
01:47:46,250 --> 01:47:44,159
eventually lost sight of it what

2598
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,260
actually happens in between and the

2599
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,480
descriptions of it I think are perhaps

2600
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,760
not as accurate as you would hope for

2601
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:52,560
because you have the big discrepancies

2602
01:47:56,209 --> 01:47:54,000
like you know five minutes and 10

2603
01:47:58,010 --> 01:47:56,219
seconds you expect a military pilot

2604
01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:58,020
trying to Observer to be able to you

2605
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:59,880
know you should be able to like they

2606
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:01,920
should match you know if one person's

2607
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,900
seeing a heat Haze shimmering on the

2608
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:05,520
surface of the object and someone who's

2609
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:07,739
much closer doesn't see it who knows

2610
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,480
what else that might differ between

2611
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:11,520
their accounts so yeah I definitely

2612
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:13,560
think that they saw you know they saw a

2613
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:14,940
white object you know like like this

2614
01:48:20,030 --> 01:48:18,239
this flying around doing something uh uh

2615
01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:20,040
but you know it perhaps didn't do the

2616
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:21,540
amazing Maneuvers that they thought it

2617
01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:23,580
did and perhaps when it disappeared they

2618
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,260
just simply lost sight of it if you read

2619
01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:28,080
the earliest reports it says uh lost

2620
01:48:32,689 --> 01:48:30,360
sight of the object in the Mist

2621
01:48:34,129 --> 01:48:32,699
uh which is you know or in the haze I

2622
01:48:37,250 --> 01:48:34,139
think it was the haze because the ocean

2623
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:37,260
is pretty hazy over over that area but

2624
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:38,639
you know now we've got slightly

2625
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:41,040
different accounts over the years so I I

2626
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,440
think they probably saw something like a

2627
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,360
drone or a balloon or an aircraft or

2628
01:48:49,250 --> 01:48:46,800
something like that of some sort

2629
01:48:52,189 --> 01:48:49,260
probably some uh military thing possibly

2630
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:52,199
something released from that uh White

2631
01:48:56,270 --> 01:48:54,060
Water which was probably something like

2632
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:56,280
a submarine there was a submarine there

2633
01:49:01,010 --> 01:48:59,340
and it could be something that they just

2634
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:01,020
weren't in the need to know so they

2635
01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:03,300
didn't get told about it but yeah I

2636
01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:05,219
don't know I'm sure lots of other people

2637
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:06,780
will say different things there's

2638
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,820
there's a big difference in in the

2639
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:10,320
stories between

2640
01:49:15,470 --> 01:49:12,300
the kind of enlisted men you know the

2641
01:49:19,010 --> 01:49:15,480
guys on the ship and the officers the uh

2642
01:49:21,290 --> 01:49:19,020
people like fraver uh fraver says that

2643
01:49:24,050 --> 01:49:21,300
all this talk about Men In Black coming

2644
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,060
in taking the tapes is all nonsense

2645
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,920
uh then there's big differences between

2646
01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:28,320
the tales of people like Kevin Day Kevin

2647
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:30,360
Day will say that he heard fraver

2648
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,119
screaming in Terror over the radio and

2649
01:49:37,310 --> 01:49:34,800
he says that fraver told him that the

2650
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:37,320
the Tic Tac did a barrel roll around his

2651
01:49:41,330 --> 01:49:40,020
plane none of which actually is is

2652
01:49:43,370 --> 01:49:41,340
anything that Trevor will tell you

2653
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:43,380
anything about so with all these

2654
01:49:46,129 --> 01:49:44,880
differences I think it's difficult to

2655
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,139
get a clear picture of what actually

2656
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:48,000
happened other than they saw something

2657
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,360
now what about and and I appreciate it

2658
01:49:55,609 --> 01:49:53,280
because I'm just as confused about this

2659
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:55,619
uh I've listened to everybody I've

2660
01:50:00,169 --> 01:49:57,179
listened to chair London you know I've

2661
01:50:02,570 --> 01:50:00,179
listened to every angle on this

2662
01:50:05,330 --> 01:50:02,580
um and spoken to many of them uh myself

2663
01:50:06,770 --> 01:50:05,340
and I'm just a little confused but I

2664
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:06,780
don't think it has anything to do with

2665
01:50:13,070 --> 01:50:10,320
the videos that that I think is is

2666
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,080
muddying up the waters literally but

2667
01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:15,600
then there is the other aspect uh to

2668
01:50:22,490 --> 01:50:18,840
this this whole 80 000 feet to sea level

2669
01:50:24,890 --> 01:50:22,500
in a fraction of a second where

2670
01:50:27,470 --> 01:50:24,900
um and you understand the basics of

2671
01:50:29,390 --> 01:50:27,480
physics and compression that would have

2672
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,400
been a gnarly disturbance on the water

2673
01:50:33,470 --> 01:50:30,960
that would have been that would have

2674
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:33,480
been a tsunami it would have been a like

2675
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:35,760
like Avi was talking about uh plasma

2676
01:50:38,330 --> 01:50:36,840
would have formed it would have been

2677
01:50:41,209 --> 01:50:38,340
super bright it would have been like a

2678
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:41,219
giant explosion and uh like a lightning

2679
01:50:47,629 --> 01:50:44,880
bolt so do you think that part was an

2680
01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:47,639
anomaly on the radar or did there was a

2681
01:50:53,090 --> 01:50:50,699
physical 80 000 feet to sea level travel

2682
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:53,100
I think the there was something going on

2683
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,119
with the radar uh they had received an

2684
01:51:02,030 --> 01:51:00,000
update as I recall to the software for

2685
01:51:03,709 --> 01:51:02,040
the radar the system the system they

2686
01:51:05,629 --> 01:51:03,719
they did some reboots of it because

2687
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,639
initially they thought it was radar

2688
01:51:08,990 --> 01:51:06,960
glitches they were seeing these things

2689
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:09,000
in groups of five things just drifting

2690
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:12,300
down the screen not very physical uh

2691
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:13,980
types of things just things that kind of

2692
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:16,380
looked like uh noise or some kind of

2693
01:51:20,570 --> 01:51:19,260
radar glitch and they you know

2694
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,580
eventually became convinced that they

2695
01:51:25,310 --> 01:51:22,800
were real things and yeah this story

2696
01:51:29,450 --> 01:51:25,320
goes that they send to play now to look

2697
01:51:31,490 --> 01:51:29,460
for them but uh I think the most likely

2698
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:31,500
thing for the ones that apparently

2699
01:51:37,129 --> 01:51:34,500
dropped from 80 000 to 28 000 or 28 000

2700
01:51:40,490 --> 01:51:37,139
to zero whatever the that story of areas

2701
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:40,500
as well has given different numbers on

2702
01:51:46,609 --> 01:51:43,260
that uh I think those were probably just

2703
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:46,619
radar glitches is this stuff like uh the

2704
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:49,500
radar can when the ship tilts the radar

2705
01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:50,880
can bounce off the ocean and you get

2706
01:51:54,530 --> 01:51:52,920
these multi-path uh differences and

2707
01:51:56,270 --> 01:51:54,540
interferences with side lobes and

2708
01:51:57,770 --> 01:51:56,280
whatnot I don't understand the whole

2709
01:52:00,169 --> 01:51:57,780
thing but you know I've been told that

2710
01:52:04,490 --> 01:52:00,179
you can get these sudden changes in

2711
01:52:06,410 --> 01:52:04,500
altitude of a Target uh uh by these by

2712
01:52:09,649 --> 01:52:06,420
like Reflections and things like that

2713
01:52:11,870 --> 01:52:09,659
and the the captain of the ship didn't

2714
01:52:13,729 --> 01:52:11,880
seem very concerned about it he was

2715
01:52:15,649 --> 01:52:13,739
shown these things on the radar and he

2716
01:52:18,050 --> 01:52:15,659
was just like yeah just looks like I

2717
01:52:20,330 --> 01:52:18,060
don't know something it's like serious

2718
01:52:24,129 --> 01:52:20,340
clouds or something yeah it's the one of

2719
01:52:26,750 --> 01:52:24,139
the for me that is one of the biggest

2720
01:52:30,770 --> 01:52:26,760
things about this entire case with the

2721
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:30,780
Nimitz I believe that those two planes

2722
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:33,840
saw something I'm convinced of that I

2723
01:52:38,810 --> 01:52:35,340
don't think that fraver is making it up

2724
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:38,820
I just don't or imagining it or or any

2725
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:42,080
of that or it was a plasma projection

2726
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:46,159
the light thing from some new defense

2727
01:52:52,609 --> 01:52:49,679
whatever no no I I I don't believe that

2728
01:52:56,209 --> 01:52:52,619
he saw something but the problem that I

2729
01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:56,219
have with this is that this case this

2730
01:53:01,970 --> 01:52:58,199
incident was written up

2731
01:53:04,729 --> 01:53:01,980
uh this is a battle group this is a

2732
01:53:07,570 --> 01:53:04,739
carrier group with all kinds of surface

2733
01:53:09,649 --> 01:53:07,580
vessels and subsurface vessels involved

2734
01:53:13,310 --> 01:53:09,659
apparently everybody was talking about

2735
01:53:15,950 --> 01:53:13,320
it and everybody saw it but the entire

2736
01:53:19,370 --> 01:53:15,960
paper trail is gone

2737
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:19,380
and I would have thought that it's a big

2738
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:22,560
enough case that we would see that we

2739
01:53:26,930 --> 01:53:24,600
would see the incidents report and we

2740
01:53:29,689 --> 01:53:26,940
would see the breakdown and and all of

2741
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:29,699
this is missing that's the part that I'm

2742
01:53:35,209 --> 01:53:32,400
I'm I'm I'm not I'm not very comfortable

2743
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:35,219
with yeah well they I mean what we do

2744
01:53:40,370 --> 01:53:37,980
have is is a report I think it's from

2745
01:53:41,930 --> 01:53:40,380
the uip task force or perhaps from one

2746
01:53:44,570 --> 01:53:41,940
of the other working groups where they

2747
01:53:47,090 --> 01:53:44,580
discussed this case and they say at the

2748
01:53:49,129 --> 01:53:47,100
end of it they get the description which

2749
01:53:51,229 --> 01:53:49,139
is basically you know kind of an

2750
01:53:53,870 --> 01:53:51,239
overview that it was a smooth white

2751
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,880
object with 46 feet in length blah blah

2752
01:53:58,370 --> 01:53:56,400
blah and they said

2753
01:54:00,169 --> 01:53:58,380
um although the debriefs of ecru and

2754
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:00,179
other Personnel within the strike group

2755
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,580
validated the event there was very

2756
01:54:06,530 --> 01:54:04,320
little data to support technical

2757
01:54:09,530 --> 01:54:06,540
analysis so they're saying they just

2758
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:09,540
don't have any real information on the

2759
01:54:14,689 --> 01:54:12,540
case other than the eyewitness accounts

2760
01:54:16,129 --> 01:54:14,699
and the the accounts of people who say

2761
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:16,139
that they saw things

2762
01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:18,360
uh and there's you know there's only so

2763
01:54:22,010 --> 01:54:19,739
so much you can do with eyewitness

2764
01:54:24,169 --> 01:54:22,020
accounts unfortunately the fact that

2765
01:54:27,609 --> 01:54:24,179
they don't have

2766
01:54:30,830 --> 01:54:27,619
um radar information means that probably

2767
01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:30,840
either it's it's classified because it's

2768
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:32,940
something like a vulnerability in the

2769
01:54:36,169 --> 01:54:34,199
radar like there was something wrong

2770
01:54:37,729 --> 01:54:36,179
with the radar or it was being spoofed

2771
01:54:38,750 --> 01:54:37,739
or it was a spoofing test or something

2772
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:38,760
like that

2773
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:41,340
uh or there just wasn't anything there

2774
01:54:44,510 --> 01:54:42,480
well

2775
01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:44,520
the military

2776
01:54:49,250 --> 01:54:46,920
is all about paperwork

2777
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:49,260
um you know that's it that's all you do

2778
01:54:54,350 --> 01:54:52,560
that's all you do is paperwork and

2779
01:54:56,270 --> 01:54:54,360
something like this that went on for a

2780
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,280
couple of weeks this wasn't a one day

2781
01:55:02,450 --> 01:54:57,840
thing

2782
01:55:06,109 --> 01:55:02,460
um uh if we it was actually it was the

2783
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:06,119
freight incident yeah they they knew

2784
01:55:09,649 --> 01:55:08,040
where they were going and they knew that

2785
01:55:12,649 --> 01:55:09,659
they were what they were flying into

2786
01:55:14,450 --> 01:55:12,659
because they were leveling out at 30 if

2787
01:55:16,970 --> 01:55:14,460
you go with that you know everything

2788
01:55:19,010 --> 01:55:16,980
that has been presented that they have

2789
01:55:21,050 --> 01:55:19,020
been following this for for quite a

2790
01:55:22,729 --> 01:55:21,060
while this was it hadn't been doing

2791
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:22,739
anything interesting in the previous

2792
01:55:27,410 --> 01:55:24,840
days every single incident up to that

2793
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:27,420
point according to Kevin day uh was just

2794
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:29,699
these dots moving down the screen that's

2795
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:31,920
right that's right and then there's one

2796
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,600
day of loads of action like you know

2797
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,760
forever goes out they see the things

2798
01:55:41,090 --> 01:55:37,679
drop down very rapidly to the surface of

2799
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:41,100
the ocean they uh they see it appear at

2800
01:55:44,810 --> 01:55:43,260
the cat point and the the Men in Black

2801
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,820
come in and take the tapes and then and

2802
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,800
then there's this video and then yeah

2803
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:48,480
then that's it then they return to Port

2804
01:55:52,850 --> 01:55:50,760
so there was these few days of radar

2805
01:55:54,830 --> 01:55:52,860
glitches and then there was one day of a

2806
01:55:58,129 --> 01:55:54,840
flurry of excitement and then and then

2807
01:56:00,970 --> 01:55:58,139
then it was over so right did it but my

2808
01:56:04,729 --> 01:56:00,980
point Mick my point is

2809
01:56:07,129 --> 01:56:04,739
to go one way or another with this case

2810
01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:07,139
it's in the paperwork and there isn't

2811
01:56:13,609 --> 01:56:09,960
any and I don't buy that I just there's

2812
01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:13,619
no way that you don't have

2813
01:56:19,550 --> 01:56:16,920
um after every single run that you do

2814
01:56:21,229 --> 01:56:19,560
you get down and you debrief

2815
01:56:24,370 --> 01:56:21,239
you're sitting in that where you are

2816
01:56:27,649 --> 01:56:24,380
debrief that's all they do they put

2817
01:56:30,430 --> 01:56:27,659
everything is rehearsal rehearsal

2818
01:56:35,090 --> 01:56:30,440
rehearsal training training training

2819
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:35,100
written write up this analyze and and in

2820
01:56:39,890 --> 01:56:37,020
this case something like this where

2821
01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:39,900
there is trial nothing that's the part

2822
01:56:44,510 --> 01:56:42,719
that I don't buy and it would take this

2823
01:56:47,149 --> 01:56:44,520
case one way or another and we don't

2824
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:47,159
have it too this is one piece of

2825
01:56:51,590 --> 01:56:49,260
paperwork we do know exists which uh

2826
01:56:52,750 --> 01:56:51,600
Alex dietrich's notes uh that she made

2827
01:56:55,609 --> 01:56:52,760
at the time

2828
01:56:57,169 --> 01:56:55,619
uh and she she said she'll she'll

2829
01:56:58,850 --> 01:56:57,179
release them at some point but she's

2830
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:58,860
kind of like she's been she's been

2831
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,239
having a lot of stuff going on in her

2832
01:57:04,490 --> 01:57:02,400
life and she's uh is in storage he had a

2833
01:57:06,109 --> 01:57:04,500
flood and she has the medical issues and

2834
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:06,119
so she hasn't been able to get to it but

2835
01:57:09,950 --> 01:57:07,920
you know I'm I'm hopeful that sometime

2836
01:57:11,450 --> 01:57:09,960
in the next like couple of years uh

2837
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:11,460
she'll be able to like you know find the

2838
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:13,980
time to dig them out uh and that might

2839
01:57:17,810 --> 01:57:16,800
might help it might not you know it's we

2840
01:57:19,129 --> 01:57:17,820
don't know but there's definitely

2841
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,139
something that's

2842
01:57:23,629 --> 01:57:21,840
notes that were taken out the time

2843
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:23,639
are going to be the most valuable you

2844
01:57:26,330 --> 01:57:24,960
know you took your notes when that thing

2845
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,340
whizzed over the head and you took them

2846
01:57:30,169 --> 01:57:28,320
immediately because you know as soon as

2847
01:57:32,089 --> 01:57:30,179
you take the notes you know it's down

2848
01:57:33,530 --> 01:57:32,099
it's that you've made a record that if

2849
01:57:35,689 --> 01:57:33,540
you leave it until a few days later

2850
01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:35,699
you're gonna forget what you saw so that

2851
01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:37,320
that would be good and there probably

2852
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,000
are other things like you know in the

2853
01:57:43,490 --> 01:57:41,520
archive somewhere but uh it's all

2854
01:57:45,970 --> 01:57:43,500
classified yeah yeah

2855
01:57:49,370 --> 01:57:45,980
amazing probably not for good reason

2856
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:49,380
thank you man thank you for for not only

2857
01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:51,840
doing what you do again you Center me

2858
01:57:56,089 --> 01:57:53,940
but uh just thank you for coming on

2859
01:57:58,370 --> 01:57:56,099
tonight and uh taking the time it was

2860
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:58,380
just an amazing conversation and uh

2861
01:58:01,250 --> 01:57:59,760
thank you so much and keep doing what

2862
01:58:04,490 --> 01:58:01,260
you're doing all right thank you thank

2863
01:58:07,850 --> 01:58:04,500
you for having me next time and we'll

2864
01:58:11,089 --> 01:58:07,860
have something uh I'm going to send I've

2865
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,099
got some more video so I'm gonna send it

2866
01:58:16,430 --> 01:58:13,920
over to you and and let's do a breakdown

2867
01:58:18,350 --> 01:58:16,440
of that too as well okay yeah sounds

2868
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:18,360
good I'll do that over the weekend have

2869
01:58:25,310 --> 01:58:20,880
a good time thank you so much Mick good

2870
01:58:28,250 --> 01:58:25,320
night there you go Mick West and very

2871
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:28,260
special Friday night presentation here

2872
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:30,480
of Fade to Black thank you Mick and

2873
01:58:35,450 --> 01:58:33,119
that's that's what you do you just talk

2874
01:58:38,930 --> 01:58:35,460
everybody you just talk

2875
01:58:41,330 --> 01:58:38,940
yet talk through it obviously we don't

2876
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:41,340
see I I we don't no we don't have to

2877
01:58:46,430 --> 01:58:43,739
agree on every agree on everything we

2878
01:58:49,250 --> 01:58:46,440
don't have to agree on nothing it

2879
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:49,260
doesn't matter just have a conversation

2880
01:58:53,209 --> 01:58:50,880
that's what you do and that's what this

2881
01:58:56,030 --> 01:58:53,219
community needs more of thank you so

2882
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:56,040
much everybody have a great safe amazing

2883
01:59:01,189 --> 01:58:58,800
weekend I'll see everybody on Monday

2884
01:59:04,129 --> 01:59:01,199
I'll announce everything we've got next

2885
01:59:07,010 --> 01:59:04,139
week it's going to be amazing uh so

2886
01:59:09,770 --> 01:59:07,020
we'll make those announcements over the

2887
01:59:13,070 --> 01:59:09,780
weekend I'm your host Jimmy Church wow

2888
01:59:16,850 --> 01:59:13,080
I've had the craziest uh busy day today

2889
01:59:19,609 --> 01:59:16,860
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2890
01:59:23,089 --> 01:59:19,619
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2891
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2892
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2893
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:27,420
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2894
01:59:32,810 --> 01:59:30,780
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2895
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